Lighting my money on fire or 4D chess?

Lighting my money on fire or 4D chess?

1/3 NLHE 9 handed

V - unknown asian guy. Friendly and chatty but hasn't been at the table long - no real hands to speak of. Bought in for 200 and is right around the same at this point. BB.

I cover and have a winning image from CO.

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BTN straddles, SB folds, V minclicks to 12, HJ fish calls, we see K Q and make it 40, folds to V who makes it 100 leaving 100 back, HJ folds, we call (?)

Flop 200+change - A T 6

V checks, We jamaroo....

12 October 2024 at 06:03 PM
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Hmmm. I don't like it but I hope it worked. I fold or shove to the $100, but I probably don't make it $40 vs. a basically short stack with KQs. Just call and see a flop.


So you started the hand with <35BB effective vs. the raiser, it went 4-bets PF, and you somehow didn't get all-in?

It's difficult to imagine Villain folding for $100 more on the flop (especially since AA/AK look very likely), but dreams can come true if you really believe!


I also realized right after that I block KK and QQ....


You block folding range and 4bet ranges are nutted. Just call PF or fold to the 4bet.


This is fancy play syndrome.


First despite what you wrote since V has only been at the table a short time you do not have a winning image to him. You can only make a less than half pot bluff here; I hope it worked for you but it shouldn't.


Go home, Banana. You're drunk.


by Stupidbanana k

1/3 NLHE 9 handed

V - unknown asian guy. Friendly and chatty but hasn't been at the table long - no real hands to speak of. Bought in for 200 and is right around the same at this point. BB.

I cover and have a winning image from CO.

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BTN straddles, SB folds, V minclicks to 12, HJ fish calls, we see K Q and make it 40, folds to V who makes it 100 leaving 100 back, HJ folds, we call (?)

Flop 200+change - A T 6

V checks, We jamaroo....

You should definitely never be calling a preflop raise for 50% eff stacks with KQs (or with anything else really, its a jam or fold situation in general, but with specifically KQ really never, ever calling). I'd probably just call pre but the 3B is ok. Fold to the 4B


Result:

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V snaps and we hit our miracle J on the turn, V has AA, table berates me for the next 20 minutes.


Very good play.


I think I lean to just flatting preflop but I'm passive like that. We're kinda cool with whatever happens (KQs plays fine multiway if it goes multiway, and HU in position is also fine). There's no other significant dead money to go after. We'll already likely end up with position. We don't have to forfeit our equity / position / skillz facing a 4bet.

Calling the 4bet at this stack depth definitely seems like lighting money on fire to me.

I think (?) I'm cool with postflop (although moreso with my super nit image for only 1/2 PSB).

ETA: Make sure you are adamant with the berators that you flopped an OESFD, and hopefully this pays off well for you over time (my read on you is that you can actually pull this off, lol).

GcluelessNLnoobG


At low stakes, we have to go Bayesian here, and assume that for the vast majority of players at 1/3 or 1/2, 4 bet range is AA, KK. We can throw in some AK or QQ at way lower frequencies if we want.

We can account for an Ace and a King so AA/KK is equally likely. I'm not sure we can deduce a lot from the check, since I think AA, KK are equally likely to check for different reasons.

The challenge is KK may well call you off anyway given it's not that much more and the usual propensity for players to call.


by Stupidbanana k

V makes it 100 leaving 100 back

"When someone shows you what they have, believe them."

- Wise adage

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