Does AK fold this flop? (1/2 Live)

The pot is $259 coming back around, and it's $65 to call, so you're getting just a hair under 4:1 pot odds. V1 has a little under $300 left behind.

It's close. I'd definitely call if we had AcKc or KcQc.

Seems like every bad low-stakes rec-fish in the world is going to show up with a lot of JT, J9, and T9 here, as well as occasionally having 77. Either V could also have 98, Q9, KQ, and club flush draws.

Think I probably peel one off, and see what V1 wants to do if we check to him on the turn.

Definitely feels like a close spot. I think with even the Ac or Kc it's a much easier call, both because you have additional backdoor equity AND because you have more clean outs.

One of the problems is that it's pretty hard for the LAG donkey to have NOTHING on this board. Maybe like 65ss? A2hh?

I may call here as well, with the idea that check-call looks pretty strong and may freeze some villains when there is a dry-ish side pot.

You have ten outs to TP/straight, but some of them also complete a V draw, so lets discount it to 7 (this is an oversimplification, but it's math you can do at the table). By the rule of 2 and 4, if you only expect to see a turn for this decent price, you have about a 14% chance of hitting. If you call, your $65 will represent 19% of the $339 pot, so you would be overpaying by 5%.

So the question is, will the EV of your V blasting away even when you hit (IOs) minus the RIO of maybe you hit but he hits better cancel out that direct odds deficit? Given the V description, I think so, but it's a high variance situation. I could go either way here, and it's mostly depending on how good a read I think I have on V.

It would be amazing if V1 was stabbing with total air. Bless him and his brass balls.

While I generally prefer to check from OOP as the PFR, I could see c-betting small here, maybe even just 1/2 of V2's remaining stack, like $30. The idea is that V1 should raise with his thick value, but if he doesn't, and V2 jams, the betting is re-opened, giving us the option to re-raise and put V1 in the blender with a weak to marginal holding.

We could also just bet enough to put V2 all in. It's a little less than 1/2 pot, enough to force V1 to think about what his hand wants to do. If he calls, V2 will be getting a good price to come along.

I don't mind the check at all. It just sucks to be playing a guessing game here, without a ton of equity, against a rec-fish who could be stabbing pretty wide. Only three of the Q's are clean outs, and we can't be certain if our pair outs are any good at all.

When V1 stabs less than half pot, I think we'd mostly be calling if this was heads up, on the assumption that he'd bet larger if his hand needed protection. With the additional money from V2 in the pot, and the betting not being re-opened by his jam, it seems like a spot where we almost have to call and see a turn.

If we call, I'm leading turn on an offsuit Q, and checking pretty much every other card. If V barrels, I'm mostly going to be done with it.

I'm just c/f'ing. 2 ppl just called 48 pre in 1/2 and the flop connects with their ranges.

Good analysis i think its close call either way. With a club in my hand its an easy call for sure.

Too soon for results, OP. Let it go at least 24 hours or until the conversation dies down (whichever comes later) before revealing your last action or the results. Sooner biases people's analysis.

Probably just fold. You could call one player, but with 2, it is so likely once could have clubs, KQ, AJ, KJ. So an A might give you only 2 outs if one has clubs or 0 outs if one has AJ, KQ. In addition if the have a really strong hand like 2p+ we already only have 3 clean outs. On top of that, we are not guaranteed to see the river cheap.

Having just one club would be good for backdoor equity and just so you would have 3 potential club non-club pair outs.

There is some small chance your hand is currently winning vs both players. IE, they both have draws. But it is so much more unlikely that both of them are on draws than just one of them being on draws.

All the factors together, I think calling would be a losing play.

What Doc said, plus, if we only call, V1 has to call too, AIUI.

How wide do you think V1 is here? What do you believe their EP open, call range is? After all, they didn’t 4! you.

I don't believe we can think that club draws are a big part of their range; i.e., we might be drawing to 10 clean outs here. And ROFL at V2 just calling off 1/2 their stack.