Against the pre-flop 3-better, is there value in a river bet?
2-3-5 NL, effective stacks $430
V is a middle aged hispanic guy, quiet; I would classify him as passive and slightly tight.
H is UTG with JdJs and makes it $15 to go.
MP calls, HJ calls. LJ calls.
V in BB makes it $55. Everyone calls. 5-handed to the flop.
($268) Flop: 7c 4s 2c
V checks
H bets $65.
Folds around to V who calls.
($398) Turn: 7c 4s 2c Td
V checks (with about $310 behind)
H bets $150
V tanks, for 30 seconds, then calls
At this point, H thinks AK is a strong possibility for V's hand. Doesn't think V would play a flush draw like this.
($698) River: 5c
V checks
H?
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4b pre instead of allowing the clown show. Check river. He won't call with anything worse. You could have jammed turn I guess
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Check river. It being this multiway v can definitely have overpairs. Even heads up some tight recs play very passively. It is very hard for v to have a hand that you beat that will call you on the river. Hard for then to have Tx that isn't a flush, also hard for them to have 99, 88 and now call you. There are more combos of overpairs that beat you honestly.
You kind of hope he has AK without clubs and he called turn hoping you had a flush draw and might check back river. And that hand is probably not calling a river bet.
I had been playing with V for about 1.5 hrs and had not seen him 3-bet yet, so with his re-raise out of blinds I was thinking his range might be AK and big pairs. So I just called, hoping to hit a set and expecting everyone to call behind.
Just check. Described V is going to be slow playing QQ+.
Im fine with not 4 betting JJ (fine with 4 bet). Check turn, or bet even smaller like $100 vs V as described. Definitely checking river.
I checked the river and showed my Jacks. He mucked with annoyance.
I assume he had AK. Afterwards, I was wondering if he might have called if I bet the river.
Seems like the consensus is a check behind on the river is good.
The only hand I beat that possibly calls a bet on the river is AK, and it would probably be a frustration/angry call only - that is, not an especially likely one from a decent player.
Check was good.
I'm not 4betting pre to a guy who seems tight and passive with JJ and I'm only calling since setmining odds are good. If it was h/u and he raised bigger without getting good odds, I'd fold pre, even though we have SDV (not a pure setmine) because a tight passive guy's 3bet from the blinds is usually QQ+ and hardly ever AK unless we had better reads.
The question isn’t whether worse will call. It’s whether better (like a bigger overpair) will fold to a river jam.
EDIT: Just realized how little you have behind. I don’t think I would ever have left this much behind but now I doubt you fold out AA/KK.
