1/2: I get STACKED here every time. Is there any way not to?

1/2: I get STACKED here every time. Is there any way not to?

$360 eff

UTG nit opens $15, 2 calls, I go $80 in SB with JJ, he calls, BTN whale calls

Flop ($255): 642ddx
I bet $250 to put both all in, he shoves $280, BTN folds, I call

He has AA

With this SPR, is there any way to get away postflop once he trapflats pre?

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22 November 2024 at 02:31 PM
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Going for the 3! with JJ from the SB against a nitty UTG x7 raiser and two callers is spew. In fact, the solver dumps JJ preflop and says "Next hand."


What AF said about preflop.

Even assuming preflop wasn't a train wreck ... when you basically shove for pot on the flop, you are making it much easier for everyone to play 99/TT/whatever than if you bet 80 or even 50.


by Always Fondling k

Going for the 3! with JJ from the SB against a nitty UTG x7 raiser and two callers is spew. In fact, the solver dumps JJ preflop and says "Next hand."

If the nit made a more normal size raise pre would this be a call or still a fold?


by Always Fondling k

Going for the 3! with JJ from the SB against a nitty UTG x7 raiser and two callers is spew. In fact, the solver dumps JJ preflop and says "Next hand."

This is a 1/2 live game with a standard $15 open.


by mongidig k

If the nit made a more normal size raise pre would this be a call or still a fold?

Changing the raise to x4 still has the SB folding 85% of the time.


by 6betfold k

This is a 1/2 live game with a standard $15 open.

The raise size is only a minor factor here.


if the raiser is such a nit, I play like this is 2008 and set mine.


by Always Fondling k

Going for the 3! with JJ from the SB against a nitty UTG x7 raiser and two callers is spew. In fact, the solver dumps JJ preflop and says "Next hand."

What range are you giving UTG? Quite shocked it says to fold this. I don’t spend time with solvers tho.

And what is it saying to continue?


Solvers say fold because they give everyone really strong ranges, not at all like in a 1/2 game.

Seems like easy flat call to UTG raise from nit. Not completely set mining, but not just stacking off on a low flop.


by deuceblocker k

Solvers say fold because they give everyone really strong ranges, not at all like in a 1/2 game.

I'm pretty sure that a "nitty" 1/2 player UTG has a tighter raising range than a GTO opponent.


by Always Fondling k

I'm pretty sure that a "nitty" 1/2 player UTG has a tighter raising range than a GTO opponent.

Yes, but the 2 callers have much looser calling ranges than GTO opponents.


by WereBeer k

if the raiser is such a nit, I play like this is 2008 and set mine.

This guy gets it. Folding is out of the question for $15. But 3b against this V is also out of the question.


by shynepo3 k

What range are you giving UTG? Quite shocked it says to fold this. I don’t spend time with solvers tho.

As AF said, the size is only part of it. From EP the opening range is (should be) very strong.

Robot opens EP to 2.25bb ... folds to hero in SB with JJ and they:
no rake: call 75% / raise 25%. Even QQ isn't a pure raise.
rake: call 65% / raise 35%. QQ raises less often.

Being "a nit" and opening 7.5x, and having more people all make this worse.


These 1/2 players are calling stations, so the fact that they called a 7.5x UTG open does not show huge strength.

Anyway, it is a flat call. I am calling with 22 also at least 4 ways.


by WereBeer k

if the raiser is such a nit, I play like this is 2008 and set mine.

^This.

Also, check flop from OOP as the PFR. If someone has a draw or an over-pair to the board, they'll bet the flop for us, and will likely telegraph their hand strength with their bet sizing.

So, yes, there is a way not to get stacked every time.


Folding is out of the question. Apart from the loose calls, maybe the solver is overreacting to this "enormous" raise size that's actually standard. V might also be relatively tight, but not so aware of position. Meaning, he might have stuff like KQo, 44 or suited aces even though he doesn't raise enough in other positions.

If this is a legit super nit, I think call. There's not much chance of being squeezed. Otherwise, I think the 3! is OK. It is aggressive, but there is dead money to fight for.

When he calls, it's pretty scary. However, I really would not expect a nitty 1/2 player to flat AA here. They are usually so afraid of bad beats. So he would surprise me with that.

One problem with shoving is that, with a player behind, UTG might just play perfectly against you and fold smaller pairs and AK and call with bigger pairs. A check is OK, as you can just see what happens and go from there. A small bet could be nice because UTG will have to fold overs with a guy behind and you can also target the whale on the button and start getting value.


what hand are you ahead of here preflop? if hes a true OMC his range here is QQ-AA. maybe KK/AA.

you are deep enough to set mine. just call pre and the c/f the flop if you dont hit a set. you're stacking him when you do hit.


Clear call pre. If he truly is a 1/2 NIT do you think he can possibly hold a hand from which you can get value without improving on the flop? His range is too strong for JJ and you have the odds to setmine. Not much to think.


if UTG is such a nit you probably shouldnt be 3 betting their UTG open preflop.

As played, its a good board for your hand but it allows villain to play perfectly as they're always folding AKs and lets assume they're not as nitty and have TT - given action they are liable to let that go too.

A better strat vs nit UTG open (and they MUST BE a nit meaning their UTG open range is basically QQ-AA) is calling and playing post flop.

If you can say more about how nitty they are it'd help though.

Also squeeze size seems a little too big as well. something like 55/60 might work better - only reason to increase is if whale is 100% calling regardless of size.

As played pre - a better flop line might be 1/3rd pot or 1/2 pot. I also dont hate checking with some consideration of c/r'ing as the board doesnt connect with standard ranges except whale's and even then they're going to have a lot of hands that connect and are still behind considerably.

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