1/2 cash live hand

1/2 cash live hand

Just curious what I should do here

UTG +2 opens to 15 which is quite standard for this game, he's been opening quite light in general

UTG +4 calls, I 3bet button with j10o to 60, UTG2 calls UTG4 folds

Flop is J72 rainbow

I cbet 45, he rips it in for another 345 effective, i tank fold

in a previous hand i 3bet 1010 to another player and downbet to 1/4 pot 40$ and player jams for another 150 with 77 which is middle pair, on a 1064 board

but this shove seems abit ridiculous, should I call here? what should my though process be, i thought he might just rip it with qj kj aj and some worse suited jacks or some pocket pairs

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22 November 2024 at 06:44 PM
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I just fold pre-flop or maybe call and see a flop if I know I'll stack this guy with a really good flop. You should be adjusting to him in the opposite direction -- play for value, don't get looser/spewy, especially with a player in between.

As played, I let it go, but given the 77 hand I really want to call 😉


Welcome to the forum. In the future, please include the stack sizes before the hand starts as well as pot sizes on each street.

Having said that, with no reads on either player other than the Villain open-raises "quite light in general," I think that 3-betting with junk like JTo is going to be a money loser in the long run.


Fold pre ainec at all.

This is an example of what we call button pressing (a nice way to say lighting money on fire).

When players call a 3bet pre and then they rip it in on top of the 3better like that, in general, they're not afraid of any over pairs (which they know is a good part of hero's range) so that would mean they at least have two pair or a set most of the time (especially if we don't know then) and I wouldn't think he has any draws after calling a 3bet pre.


I fold pre and then fold the flop AP. I would bet this flop with my entire squeeze range but then I have a strong range and you don't.


This is a fold preflop. I'm more curious as to your thought process for 3 betting JTo.

Did you think it was a strong hand? Was it that you thought everyone would fold?


Fold preflop. If you had JTs, you could call or 3!. If you had a hand like J9s/J8s/T8s, which would usually be a fold, it would be OK to 3! it. If you 3! light, you want to have close to a hand you could call with, and it is better to be suited for more playability / postflop semibluffing.

In general there is no need to 3! light in this game. You can 3! KK/AA and down to TT/AQ based on the situation, and you usually get called.

Flop is well played. Not a disasterous situation getting HU and you will be able to take the pot bluffing a lot.


As for the flop, villain's play seems a little strange. A lot of your range should be TT+, which presumably snap calls and has AJ/KJ/QJ crushed. You would probably have to fold AK/AQ to the shove, but those would be close. He could have KQ or maybe AQ/AK/Q9s for a draw. It seems like you may have an image for 3-betting, which might make him less afraid of a high pp. It seems like you have to fold.

It makes it trickier that you bet small on the flop. Solvers tend to like small cbets. However, live low stakes players who make overpairs with QQ+ or TPTK with AK tend to bet large.

I had a situation where there was a raise and caller and I 3! JJ from the SB. Not doing that if I have reads the raiser is strong. Original raiser called and flop came KQJ 2-flush. I bet a little less than my 3! amount, because I thought it would look weak on the wet board. Villain shoved. Then he wouldn't show so I showed, so he couldn't have had a strong made hand.

I think preflop was a mistake, but not that big a mistake. The hand is a trap or trouble hand, which make a lot of 2nd best hands, which is partly the trouble you got into on the flop.


Played fine, imo, good bet and good fold.


JTo is definitely a fold pre from this early of position, but most people under 3 bet, and your 3 bet here is maybe less of an error than someone who isnt 3 betting a hand like K9s sb vs btn imo, especially given V opening too light.

As played, i see guys who are opening light and mixing it up do this sort of thing with either a draw of like just top pair that they hit with whatever trash they opened.

i feel like he isnt gonna do that with 2 pair, so its either QQ or a random pair or a bluff, so im calling, but its close, and folding is lower variance and wont cost much if any EV.


Yeah, I agree. It is close whether to call the shove. Preflop choice of hand to 3! and small cbet sizing are errors though.


Preflop really is a major error.

You say your opponent has been opening "quite light" but you need to translate that into whether he could open hands like J7s, and whether he would open 22 from EP and then call a squeeze. If the answer to both those questions is no (as it should be) then blocking top set there are only 4 combos of sets; on the other hand he might have QQ (or even bigger overpairs) and being a rainbow board with no open enders available, there are few natural bluffs. You can't entirely rule out hands like AJ either. Without knowing the player I'd tend to assume they're not going to get creative with backdoor-plus-gutshot type hands and as you don't beat any value, despite the small collection of thick value he could have, I'd probably let it go on balance


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Just curious what I should do here

UTG +2 opens to 15 which is quite standard for this game, he's been opening quite light in general

UTG +4 calls, I 3bet button with j10o to 60, UTG2 calls UTG4 folds

Flop is J72 rainbow

I cbet 45, he rips it in for another 345 effective, i tank fold

in a previous hand i 3bet 1010 to another player and downbet to 1/4 pot 40$ and player jams for another 150 with 77 which is middle pair, on a 1064 board

but this shove seems abit ridiculous, should I call here? what shou

3B'ing an EP open with JTo is pretty ambitious. Why not just flat call on the BTN and see a flop?

The 1/3 pot c-bet on the flop seems pretty standard.

With no reads, I'd probably fold to the check-jam. If I've seen him make this play before, rather than bet-call and hope we're good, I'd rather check back the flop and let him blast off on the turn.

The difference between this hand and the 77 hand appears to be that you're deeper in this hand. Also, a flop of T64 is a little more dynamic than J72. When stacks get deeper, I'm more likely to fold to a x-jam. Likewise, when the board is fairly static, I'm more likely to fold to a x-jam.

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