Is this just a 3-way setup? Who played worst?
1/3 NLHE 9 handed, 10$ bomb pot.
V1 - 400$ Winning LAG. Makes about 45$/hr over years and is one of the biggest winners in the room. Plays PLO and all that. Can 4-bet fold, check-raise bluff river, all that. Overplays hands at 1/3 imo when he has not enough fold equity. BTN.
V2 - 350$ Break even to slightly losing loose passive. Thinking about the game but still calls too much pre (ex. called a 30$ open from SB when UTG had straddles 5 ways with JTo, I told him this is way too wide and he should want to fold more with more players interested (right?) as opposed to heads up - but he started pushing back on pot odds and saying how he'll nut someone with AA here all day). He calls with suited gappers, he's limp called me from UTG with K9s once. Just too wide. Has been losing this session and is tilted. SB.
Hero has about 400$ same as V1, but covers just barely. BB.
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Hero is dealt K♥ K♦
Double board 10$ bomb pot goes 7 ways to -
Flop 70 -
J♠ 6♠ 4♣
Q♥ J♣ 5♦
Checks to V1 OTB who bets 35, V2 calls SB next to act, Hero just calls, 4 other players fold. 3-ways 2nd to act.
Turn 140 -
J♠ 6♠ 4♣ 8♠
Q♥ J♣ 5♦ 2♥
V2 checks (305 back), Hero checks (355 back), V1 bets 85 (leaves 270 back), V2 calls, Hero x/r AI for 355 total....
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I'm confused. I don't see a K on either board or a spade in your hand.
IMO we should be betting big on flop ourselves, and raising when it comes back to us.
Consider the interplay between the two flops, and what combos have us beat in a heads-up situation. AA and JJ have us crushed. Other hands that are strong on one board, we are generally ~flipping with a bit of an edge against them, such as any J that makes 2pair on one board. If we get our stack in heads-up, we are frequently pushing an equity advantage, sometimes a big one, like against a hand like Qx of spades or AJ.
Getting folds thru is no disaster either, our hand is reasonably vulnerable and kind of lacks the ability to play well multiway on later streets. We should also be looking to build the pot against the fishy SB player, and the usual playing to "induce" against the LAG IP isn't amazing either, due in part to our hand's poor playability. Also we're inviting 4 other potential callers on flop which is not great either.
As played, turn spot is fairly tough. Jamming feels off the table for me, we're dead on top board quite frequently, and fold equity feels really lacking with two opponents. Torn between crying call and fold. If V1 is reasonably knowledgeable about bomb pots, we'll probably have to crying call clean rivers a lot as well (saying this makes me want to fold turn though).
I'll just post result now because it's kind of important for the analysis:
Result:
Spoiler
Both V1 and V2 call the AI, V1 has K♠ Q♦, V2 has A♥ J♥
I play mostly single board bomb pots in NLHE, mainly because it's so hard to scoop that strat. is kind of boring where you really need 3 people to see a showdown ... or bluff out everyone.
Big overpairs are one of the hands that could win on two boards though so...
Sure, x/r and pile money in on the flop because an overpair is pretty good in DB NLHE.
On the turn I'm not sure, flushes are unlikely but still possible and there are a few double board hands now.
It's not like you can fold easily, but at this point it's probably better to have both players put their money in than to bluff out one. Esp. as you can be dead on the top. Of course both might call anyway.
I don't mind check-raising on the flop, and I don't mind the way you played it either. Both seem very table/villain dependent and you got max value. Well played.
At least one of them should have got their money in against you. Looking at the hand it's not that surprising that they both did.
