1/1 4-bet line check
1/1 NLH live (time rake so no rake considerations)
AhQd in CO, effective stacks 300
UTG-9 limps
I (CO) iso to 5
Unknown BTN 3-bets to 15, folds to me
I 4-bet to 45, BTN calls
Flop Td 3d 2s (Pot: 93)
I c-bet 25, villain calls
Turn (Td 3d 2s) Ad (Pot: 143)
I check, he checks back
River (Td 3d 2s Ad) Jh (Pot: 143)
Hero?
Any ideas on both turn and river spots would be helpful - can we go for small value on the turn? can we go for value on the river?
8 Replies
Turn is a nice hand to put in our check call range. I would check call river, he has plenty of hands that beat us.
I think you should bet small on the turn in this spot.
As played, the river is pretty weird. I might check/call here. If you bet, it's pretty thin. But your hand looks weak so maybe you can induce some bluffs by checking.
4betting AQo is a bluff against a V 3betting too wide. Does the general player pool 3bet too wide? 300 BB deep, facing a 3bet oop with AQo preflop, without a read, against a loose passive player pool, I’m making a nitty fold. I would 4bet here only AKo, JJ+, AQs. You have 20 to 1 implied odds with a call preflop, enough to set mine. I’m probably calling 99-JJ and AQs some of the time.
Because hero 4bet pre, he found himself on the turn with TPGK and one pot sized bet. One third bet on the turn would get hero pot committed with no equity draws.
What the hell is UTG-9? How many people are in this game?
I could go either way with the 4B pre, but it seems okay. I might go bigger from OOP, like $60, or even $75 if I believe V is getting out of line.
The small flop c-bet seems ok, but I could also see checking from OOP, even as the pre-flop 4B'er, with one diamond in our hand. I think there's value in seeing what V does versus a check.
With the Ad, Qd, and Td accounted for, and only two combos of ATs possible, I'd probably barrel on the turn. It's really hard for him to have turned a flush in a 4B pot, unless he has exactly KJdd, or he called our 4B super wide with a hand like K9dd.
Do we think he's 3B-calling pre with ATo? If so, is he checking those back? I doubt it.
Once we check turn, I think we should just check-evaluate river. We're now losing to AA, AK, AJ, AT, KQ, JJ, and TT, if he plays TT as a flat call on flop and check back on turn.
With $230 stack depth remaining, maybe we could bet 1/3 pot with plans to fold to a raise, in order to target worse AX for value, but it's hard for him to have any worse AX here, and harder still for worse AX to call. It would suck if V is capable of turning KK/QQ with a diamond or AdQx into a bluff.
Just check-call a small bet, and fold to a big bet. Hope he checks back.
ETA - maybe he has some A5s/A4s that plays this way. I doubt those hands call a river bet, but they might bet thin for value if we check again. God bless his aggro heart if he has A6s-A9s.
4betting AQo is a bluff against a V 3betting too wide. Does the general player pool 3bet too wide? 300 BB deep, facing a 3bet oop with AQo preflop, without a read, against a loose passive player pool, I’m making a nitty fold. I would 4bet here only AKo, JJ+, AQs. You have 20 to 1 implied odds with a call preflop, enough to set mine. I’m probably calling 99-JJ and AQs some of the time.
Because hero 4bet pre, he found himself on the turn with TPGK and one pot sized bet. One third bet on the turn
The limper was very clearly limp-folding (was a consistent pattern of limping weak, raising strong hands combined with extremely obvious live tells in body language and already half-mucking cards. You're right, it is a bluff pre, and i agree that I prefer fold pre than call, but I think raise works well.
why are you 4betting pf if you arent trying to get it in when you hit top pair? your SPR is 3:1 you have top pair its time to shovel half your stack in OTT and jam the river.
