AJs bluff catching 1/3 - 1100eff
So the main villain in hand, in my 30 minutes with him was caught bluffing by me on a 98635 board where he bet turn and river huge. Just didn’t make sense unless he had something like 97s so i called down very light with A high and won. He also has about 1500 in front of him, so he’s been winning prior to me being moved to his table.
UTG limps (300), MP raises to 11, villain calls (covers table), , hero (1100)in sb with AJss goes to 60 - all 3 call with main villain sighing and making a comment “well i can’t fold now”.
flop J23ddd (240)
i decided to x cause its 4 way and pot is now huge, x,x, villain bets 100, i call, fold x 2
turn 7x (440)
xx
river Qx (440)
hero x, villain doesn’t wait too long and bets 200
hero?
11 Replies
Since you seem to be within your MDF and being offered 3:1, I think you have to call this against someone you've already caught bluffing.
If he has it, he has it.
I suck deep and OOP to tricky players, so I prolly just call preflop with a hand that plays fine multiway in a high SPR pot.
I kinda hate our postflop spot and pretty much do everything I can preflop to avoid it. The more expert your are, the more you'll relish these spots and no doubt print. The more non-expert you are (i.e. me), the more you'll likely just hemorrhage money.
I'm cool with flop and turn (but also kinda think there are no obvious great choices).
River is a bit sucky because we've been proven to be a calling station against this guy so less chance he is bluffing. I guess we don't have to be good all that often though.
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PRE - seems fine. 3B standard. Size looks okay.
FLOP - I'm pretty much checking range from OOP, especially multi-way, even more especially with a spewtastic opponent last to act. So, the check seems fine.
That said, I could see an argument for c-betting super-small here, with TPTK on a monotone flop, multi-way. If someone out-flopped us, I'd prefer to know it before action gets to the main V. If we bet small, like 20% pot, maybe even 15%, there's a good chance someone with a better yet still vulnerable hand is going to raise.
Once he bets $100 into $240, this deep, calling seems like all we can do, with two opponents still to act.
TURN - obvious check is obvious.
RIVER - Bruh, there is no way in HELL this dude is checking back the turn and betting less than 1/2 pot with a flush. MAYBE he has Qx, or QJ, or some other whack-a$$ hand that we lose to, or some hand we beat, but there's just no way I'm folding to a less than 1/2 pot river bet after the turn checks through, with a bluff catcher as strong as 2nd pair, top kicker.
Snap call.
I snap call, too. Otherwise, fine.
Preflop has been covered. I prefer to raise or fold from sb.
Flop and turn are pretty standard.
What does he get to the river with here? We have compressed his range preflop but also capped it I think. His flop bet mw suggests minimum Adx or Kdx.
We beat the KdJx, chop the AdJx, lose to the KdQx and the case JJ. He can't check turn with 33 or 22 and maybe folds them preflop. I can't see this V getting to the river with QJo.
We get the right price to call but it's not a fist-pumping scenario.
Sigh, i repeatedly said "I want to call so bad" before I folded. I just couldn't get it out of my head that he bluffed earlier. He turned over KdXx.
Jesus. I wasn't even in the hand and I want to throw up.
On a serious note...
1. Just because we bluff-caught an opponent in a previous hand doesn't mean he's going to stop bluffing. If he SHOWED a bluff when he didn't have to, then I'd be more cautious about bluff-catching him. But when he bluffs, we call, and then we get mixed up in another hand, I don't think most low stakes recs are going to change gears and stop bluffing just because we caught them once.
2. When low stakes recs flop a made but vulnerable hand, they tend to bet bigger, barrel on the turn (usually sizing up), and go big for value on the river. The less than 1/2 pot bet on flop, check back on the turn, and less than 1/2 pot river bet all look weak. If we over-fold, our opponents' bluffs are printing. That 40% pot river bet seems to be the preferred size for chicken-$hlt bluffs.
On a serious note...
1. Just because we bluff-caught an opponent in a previous hand doesn't mean he's going to stop bluffing. If he SHOWED a bluff when he didn't have to, then I'd be more cautious about bluff-catching him. But when he bluffs, we call, and then we get mixed up in another hand, I don't think most low stakes recs are going to change gears and stop bluffing just because we caught them once.
2. When low stakes recs flop a made but vulnerable hand, they tend to bet bigger, barrel on th
Trust me i wanted to puke too...I left shortly after lol.