thin call with JJ on AKT3A board? 1/3

My first question is why you checked behind on the flop in Hand #1?

I really don't understand that either two spades on the board top pair with a decent kicker your giving a free card...

The cold call from sb who was shortish (around 200) who was a fish could be doin it with some premium to xr. I also dont think QJ is an automatic bet here as well tbh, tho it might be.

Guess most of the time i bet but this time i didnt.

With no dead money in the pot, no limpers to deny equity too, and OOP deep to a difficult player, I would mostly flat preflop.

From a WA/WB point of view, as well as being OOP to a difficult player, I'm not sure betting the flop small accomplishes much.

Fine with the turn.

While there are some busted draws, you'd think some of them might start bluffing the turn. Plus we've proved stationary versus him recently. Plus the river Ace is the most obvious card to pretend to rep when they actually have it. Is he really trying to get another big bluff thru so soon?

In general (and this goes back to preflop for me) I would attempt to not play massive 235+ bb pots OOP to difficult players with the monster known as third pear.

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not to criticize, but 1/2 yours posts i always think youre trolling lol. or im an idiot maybe both.

I'm assuming that you didn't 3bet QJs just so you could try to hit a Royal? 😁

My 0.02$:

In HH you need to be betting this flop A LOT IP for small sizing. Nice river call. Line makes no sense. I'd probably still fold though.

Main hand:

Flop c-bet is way too small. You have the most natural bluffing hand here on a board that smashes your range. I'm betting 75 or 85 and balancing with sets and 2-pair for value. Once you bet small and check turn your hand is quite face up as something weak like 99 or A5..something that can't take much heat. River sucks for our range giving us weak trips at best. I'm check folding, there's better bluffcatchers to have, for instance not having the J♣, easy way to think about it (imo) is an MDF perspective too. You basically broadcasted on live radio that you have QQ/JJ/99 or a weak A or KQ or KJ with your line and now you're wondering if JJ is good enough to call an overbet.. MDF is like 2/5ths? You have a ton (or at least I do) of weak trips here that can comfortably hero call an overbet (and be wrong sometimes). Also he opened BTN and called a 3-bet IP. He has a ton of AXs hands here too.

I agree you need to see where you are in the hand by making a small bet before it gets wild unless you want to play bingo.

I'm 100% not trolling with this comment, and I actually did a very similar move with AA my last session out for all the reasons I stated. Having the best hand preflop is almost worthless deep, OOP, to a difficult player, and even moreso the more face up it is. Meanwhile we're facing a huge 90 bb river bet and have third pear, so how meaningful was it that we had him crushed preflop for peanuts?

The more expert you are, the more you can get yourself in these spots and do ok. The less expert you are, the more you should never get yourself in these spots.

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i get what youre saying but only way we gonna get comfortable is to…u know what im saying. tho im sure the AA flat pre will give u some ev down the road on future hands (not trolling).

There are actually do very distinct approaches to this problem (and they aren't mutually exclusive).

One is to get better at the thing you suck at. And nothing wrong with attempting that. But it can actually be very hard to do (especially past a certain point).

Another is to play to your strengths and away from your weaknesses. Lots of successful people use this method (and even pair with partners whose strengths versus weaknesses are opposite to their own).

GgoodluckwithwhateverrouteyoutakeG

my guess is that OP likes to play small ball and may be some what nittish

For the QJ hand, I'd have c-bet the flop IP, especially multi-way on a dynamic board. Other than that, the hand seems well played, and V's line is kinds FOS, so I think I call the river too. Well played.

For the main hand here...

PRE - Looks fine.

FLOP - I'm checking range from OOP and HU as the PFR. We're not folding out very many if any better hands, and our hand doesn't really benefit from protection.

When V bets 30% pot, I'd be tempted to check-raise, and rep a monster. His bet sizing looks weak to me.

TURN - Obvious check is obvious.

RIVER - Our hand has no showdown value on this runout. We should check-fold, or go for an over-bet bluff to rep a boat. I'd rather bet $320 and make V fold Kx than check-call $275 and get shown Kx. So, as played, just fold.

I expect to get flamed for suggesting a 2x pot bluff, but we could play AA, AK, AT, and KK this way, when QJ flops a straight. We double-block QJ, so it's unlikely V actually did flop a straight, and will decide his hand is too good to fold.

More likely, V has a weak Ax or Kx hand that will fold if we come out and donk for 2x pot. We're not deep enough to go for the check-raise, so donking makes sense.

Enlighten me how u came to this conclusion?

I cbet 30 into 100 on the flop.

On the river it did occur to me i could xraise to make it look like a monster but alas we wasn't deep enough. BXB probably looks believable and I think was the best option espec on board pairing rivers.'

I folded, he didnt show.

You said to us that the villian had a clue and that you've been playing with him for a while 2hrs, but that you never played with him before. How much longer would you need to gather enough information on him to know his play style. It sounds like you saw him run a bluff and that he may try to again. Mainly though you said he has a clue right? So if thats the case if you weren't playing so tightly on the flop you would raise to :
( A. get equity into the pot B. see where you are at )

But what I am thinking is that you wanted to keep the pot on the smaller side and play slightly risk adverse in losing a large pot but more inclined to take down a smaller pot without much trouble. On the flip side be able to run away if the bet sizing got too large. Being nittish isn't a bad thing at all you can make plenty playing nit style SOMETIMES.

@ puntz

You think OP should be attempting to play an even bigger pot postflop with his third pear?

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Ugh. My bad. I went back and added that bit about V betting after getting to the end, and obviously didn't remember that you bet, not V. So, disregard that.

Don't disregard the bit about checking range from OOP when HU as the PFR though. If you checked, and V bet 30% pot on this board, I think it's a good spot to use our range and nut advantage to check-raise, at least sometimes. That small bet size on this board looks weak.

I think BXB is a bluffy line generally, but it seems credible enough here, given the flop texture and river card. You'll have all the boats here as the pre-flop 3B'er, whereas V is going to be pretty capped. Maybe he flats with AK, AT, or TT pre, but I'd think those hands raise flop, or bet turn.

I could see playing flopped sets and 2P as a small c-bet, a check on turn when our flop bet gets called, and then a big donk on the river, when we boat up.

sorry, im having a hard time understanding...are you telling me i should raise the flop? i bet the flop, he called.

and yes i def dont want to bloat the flop with JJ on AKT. i just find it odd that you think im a nit when im considering calling JJ on AKTXA lol. but its ok, i dont mind.

I was only talking about the first hand the second hand I would have folded, but I hate jacks especially when two overs come.

Once again I was only referring to the first hand.

Ok, makes more sense.

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