OOP and you think V has trip Aces while you have invincible boat

Hmmm. Tough one. Either shove now -- it's hard for people to fold trip As -- or call and lead river for $200 to look like a blocking bet and pray he shoves 😉

I lean toward shove (why would anyone shove the nuts?), but it'd be sick if he folded.

Two thoughts if you believe he has ak for instance you could try to squeeze by just calling and jam on the river I doubt he's on a spade draw. I really don't believe he is going to fold if you jam here but you said he's loose aggro you could hope for a spade to come and then represent the spades and jam, but your really jamming regardless of the river. If you jam early I think he's going to call either way but you might get an easier snap call if you just wait and jam on the river to appear as a bluff. Kind of a tricky situation for sure. Most likely though if it was me I am just jamming after a bit of acting on the turn to take the thinking out of the equation.

Is this spot on the turn an underbluffed one?
If H check raises the turn, does it look too strong, like will this always be H holding a monster?

I would lead the turn and bet the river.

What are BB's cards? 😉

Why check the flop?
There are basically no draws, and it's more difficult to be bluffing if you check/call than if you bet. SPR is like 5.5 so you can get all-in by bet/bet/bet.
And if V bets small or even checks this turn with a bad A it's so bad for you.

On turn you have to read if V is bluffing, or overvaluing a bad A, and if he's going to bet again on the river if you call and check.
Otherwise min. raise turn and shove river, but that looks so nutty if V has half a clue.
Given line I probably call more often than raise.

Checking flop first to act is definitely good here, i would be checking entire range on this texture. I don’t see too much reason to check raise top boat on the turn here. I think most of opponents thick value will bet river again anyway and if we fold literally anything out on the turn its a disaster. Would pure trap AQ A4s all the way to the river. QQ can raise turn sometimes maybe.

After I raised preflop, BB holds his cards out in front of his chips 90 degrees horizontally. There is a flash of white coming off 20% of one card out of the corner of my eye. So not a face card, that's all I know, and likely a small one or an A. To me, he is betting like he has an Ace.

Call turn and donk jam river for $485 into $700. Gonna be hard for him to fold I think, and I wouldn’t expect a river bluff.

This situation brings up a recurring problem for me. I flop trips, and I get happy and excited. I turn a boat and now I really can't think straight anymore.
Then typically I don't think things through and rush into an action. Too much adrenaline flowing I think, or not in control of my emotions.

The only reason I could see not just calling turn, is if you both like to shove semibluff turns, and feel like advertising this play to those paying attention.

I think this particular V is going to be one of those poorer players that also feels "big bet = big hand," and may fold 'mere' trip Aces to your action. Which is why I only want to call. But I also like getting my overbet turn bluffs through.

Hilarious if they had the Queens full underboat.

Edit: which by your read, they don't.

It is an interesting question: How much, if at all, are the other players responsible for helping other players who may be in crisis, or otherwise not fully responsible for their agency as an adult? Given that poker often involves bumhunting, morality vs effective play can be at cross-purposes.

Way outside the ambit of these strat threads though.

Just min. raise turn, or even shove ... both lines look nutty as hell because they are super underbluffed lines for most players, but V is much more likely to call 200 into 900 without thinking enough. And can even talk himself into calling turn with A8o/A5s because of back door flush draws or whatever.
When you donk shove river for 100bb, it's much more difficult for V not to think about wtf is going on even though it's less than pot.

You can tell villain has trip aces without seeing his cards.

I would lead the turn and bet the river to avoid being in an awkward spot like this worrying about checkraising or leading the river. Plus he could check back the turn.

In fact, I would just cbet the AAx board as the preflop raiser with AQ.

I think minraise turn probably works a lot too. To me that looks way stronger though, like it's impossible to not have the effective nuts there (even though Villain probably doesn't know that). If we donk jam river, I think A5 can put us on a hand that chops or even something ridiculous like KK

The other thing is that when we call turn, we guarantee that Villain sees the river which is a good thing when he has 6 outs to an inferior full house.

I think I like call the turn and donk shove the river the best.
Min-raising the turn and shoving the river also seems better than what I did.

I paused for about 5 seconds and raised to $600. V thought about 3 seconds and mucked.

I would not expect he could muck so quickly with an Ace, but maybe.

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I would cbet and keep betting. You will take it down often, but you won't get much anyway if villain doesn't have anything.

Villain probably had a weak ace and figured you had AK/AJ is not AQ as the preflop raiser and with the raise.

I like the way hero played the hand. With his line, hero got max value.

If we started $800 effective, and he's put $315 in, then he has $485 left?

I think I just stick the rest in. He'll be getting almost 2.8 to 1 on a call. Doubtful he's folding trips.

Alternatively, just call, and then stick the last $285 in on the river.

Don't think it makes much difference. Check raising turn and donking the river after check calling flop and turn are both super strong lines. At least if you jam turn you might have some bluffs.

Deleted the debate about how to respond to a v flashing cards. This is a strat thread, please use it to discuss strat. If y'all would like to have the other discussion, it should be in it's own thread in Casino and Cardroom Poker, which is the appropriate forum for rules and etiquette. Any further posts on that subject ITT will lead to infractions.