2/5 - Top pair on very wet board against short, apparently tight player

2/5 - Top pair on very wet board against short, apparently tight player

2/5, Friday night, 8-handed

Villain A (30yo drunk white male, 40/20, $800) limps UTG
Hero ($1200) opens to $35 with AJhh UTG+1
Villain B (45yo Asian male, 40/15, $2500) calls in CO
Villain C (30yo Hispanic male, 20/0, $380) calls on button

Flop ($112) JT8ddd

VillainA checks, Hero bets $75, VillainB folds, VillainC min-raises to $150, VillainA folds

What do you do?

Should you have checked flop and just check-called 1-2 streets depending on runout?

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20 December 2024 at 09:58 PM
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Hand looks good, now fold.

I'd say pre was too big, but you got three callers so obviously not too big in that game.

AP, best case likely scenario he's free rolling with AdJx. This sizing is never a semi-bluff, imo. I still like the bet OTF with TPTK on a monotone board. Checking should never be to c/c, as you have no idea where you are and are likely on the bus to value town. And giving free cards on this super wet board is awful. This is either a b/f or a c/f.


Raise size is large, but depends on the table.

I would check flop, fold to raise as played. Not crazy about AJ or JT8 3-flush.


Another vote from me for checking flop. Basically just want to get to showdown as cheaply as possible here. Betting doesn't offer us that much protection (they don't have that many 1 diamond hands that will fold) and we are going to be in really difficult spots post-flop if anyone continues to this $75 bet.

As played I would call here getting an incredible price. Mostly just hoping that Villain checks back turn and planning to fold to any future aggression. I can understand the logic behind a fold though - you are drawing dead here a lot.


PRE - if a 7x open over a limp is getting 3 calls, it's not a big enough raise. Other than that, it seems fine.

FLOP - I'd be range-checking from OOP and multi-way, especially with TPTK on a monotone flop, and even more especially with a short stack on the BTN.

If you absolutely must c-bet, go super-small, like 1/6 pot. C-betting $75 here is way too big. I might bet $20-$25, max, but mostly, I'm just checking to see what happens.

When we bet, we're not folding out any diamond draws, 2P, sets, straights, or combo draws. We're only folding out complete whiffs, and maybe Tx/8x with a slim chance of spiking 2P on turn or river. So really - why bet, unless our plan is to turn our hand into a bluff, and try to rep the flopped nuts?

As played, when the short stack min-clicks it to $150, leaving himself only $195 behind, we can expect him to stick in the rest on most turns. Do we want to play TPTK for another $270?

Methinks not. I just fold, and hate myself for c-betting so large into three opponents on a monotone flop.


Pre iso size seems a bit large.

Check flop multiway out of position with no diamond. If you were to bet, bet small, like 1/4 pot. On monotone boards generally you should bet very small, especially multiway. It's crazy to bet 2/3 4 ways on a monotone flop with no diamond.

As played, it's pretty disgusting. Best advice is not to put yourself in that spot.


Always think about ranges of Vs before your own. It seems hero thought, I have TPTK, I’m going to bet. But this flop hit V hard. A flop check will help hero define ranges of Vs.

Multiway, the pros seem now to range check or bet at most 1/3 pot.

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