2/5; Aces multiway on monotone board

Muck without much thought. You're beat a lot and drawn dead a decent amount. Onto the next hand, heck maybe it'll be AA again!

Yeah, this is indeed what I did — it just doesn't feel great vs a villain who might show up with something just bizarre. The 2nd villain to act behind me makes it easeir though

I would call here and proceed with caution. I don't think this line screams strength. There are a lot of one pair hands and draws that might play this way.

I would check the flop.

PRE - raise bigger when there are loose limpers at the table. They're not limping to fold, so we might as well start building a pot by raising larger, especially IP.

FLOP - Don't mind the c-bet IP with an over-pair, but on a monotone T9-high flop and multi-way, I'd go smaller, like $15-$20. Also don't mind checking back here, since we're not folding out better hands, and probably not very many good draws. Though I prefer to c-bet, just to fold out some hands that can catch up on later streets.

TURN - It is a very bad card for us, making V a lot of 2P+. Not sure what we might be beating when V donks for >1/2 pot. Not even sure what his bluffs might be - maybe QJ with one club, or QT one club - something like that, maybe.

I hate to fold over-pairs in spots like this, but few low stakes recs are going to suddenly start bluffing the turn with total air. And I'd think if he was bluffing, he'd be more likely to choose a smaller sizing, like $60.

Seems like a sigh-fold.

I would call turn. This can still be hands like a pair + club. Even AcJx, KxJx, QcJx now thinking they improved to the best hand.

Flop size down to ~1/4 pot or check. Lean towards check, esp multiway.

We want hands with 1 club to make a mistake calling though, right? Is it that we realistically can't make the cbet big enough with two cards to go, and even if we do, we're just pumping up the pot for an already-made flush? Which is twice as likely or more if we're MW.

Does our flop action change if we hold Ac?

AP, should we call turn, we're hoping for what? A small bet to call from V2? Another A or a 5 rivering? I can't think we're comfortable if any of 9-J hit.

Just trying to think what we're hoping to hit with a turn call.

I'm pretty meh on the flop bet, although I guess there are hands that have equity that will fold.

I'm probably dumping the turn, since it's difficult to imagine someone with just Ac making this bluff multiway with Hero still to act, even if they also have AcQx/AcJx.

In addition to Hero being behind to 2p and flushes, KQ/87 just got there as well.

Hands with 1 club generally aren't making a mistake by calling though, they are just getting a good price to continue. People used to think that monotone boards should be bet big because they are wet with the possibility of a 4 flush coming. But solvers showed us that we should be checking a lot and betting small when we do bet. It's a way ahead, way behind spot. You either have a flush or 1 decent club or you don't. 2p+ is still a good hand, but overpairs without a club don't love shoveling in money deep.

If we had the Ac we would want to bet flop more often because we block flushes and there are more runouts where we are comfortable with a larger pot. As played without the Ac, the pot has already become larger than we would like.

As played, we're calling turn hoping for a blank or board pair and either a check or small bet from V.

Also, multiway we just want to bet less often and bet small when we do bet. Our threshold for value goes up and our bluffing frequency goes down, so we want to bet smaller. Additionally we get multiple callers on the flop, the pot already will grow pretty large, and if we get it heads up, we can always bomb turn and river. Also, when we do have thick value, the small size will sometimes induce light raises, bluffs, and light floats.

So, the fact thst it's both multiway and monotone both should push us towards checking more and betting smaller when we do bet.

Totally agree with you right here man this is normally what I would do in a multi way pot with aces keep it small ball. C-bet should be small too to many hands are drawing or already there and your not looking very good. Anyone who is there already is calling to trap and anyone still drawing is calling pre should have been bigger for sure, but since it wasn't there's not much you can do. I also wouldn't keep firing unless your hand improves but since the turn was HORRIBLE I would fold to serious aggression here.

Pre is fine. I don't like the flop bet -- doesn't really accomplish much. I might call this guy on the turn, but I probably just let it go -- especially if he'll fire the river. Too much beats us and we can't really improve.

I just re-read the post and saw it was 2-5 no way I am c-betting here on the flop. Pre was also way way way too small. I would be fold city to any raiser here on the flop there are way too many combos here that have you smoked and for such a small button raise you basically have even the smallest flushes out there getting extreme value.