2 hands; H pfr and flops mid set; H defends with PP from BB
2/3/5 NL, 8-handed table, weekday morning. H is a regular and usually recognizes 4-5 players at each table.
Maybe because it is near the holiday, the table is filled with unknowns.
H table image at this point is tight, and maybe nitty. H came over in a table change 30 min ago. Initially, I thought I played both these hands pretty well, but in retrospect I am not sure about one of them.
Hand 1:
Effective stacks $1100
H opens in LJ 8h 8s
V1 in CO calls, very heavy dark haired hispanic or white guy with baseball cap, age 20's/30's, unknown. Somewhat loose preflop. Hasn't been in much post-flop action.
Heads up
($40) As 7c 8c
H $30. V calls.
($100) Jd
H $120. V calls.
($340) As 7c 8c Jd Th
H checks. V $315.
H?
Hand 2:
Effective stacks $800
V2 utg+1 opens $20, Asian guy 40's unknown, new to table.
1 LP caller. H with 6s6c in BB calls.
($60) Flop 8s 5s 4c
V bets $50, LP fold. H calls.
($160) 5d
Check. Check.
($160) 8s 5s 4c 5d Jc
H?
9 Replies
First hand seems like a straightforward call? I think I would have played the river as a bet though, because I think some two pair will check back on this runout. You can't really fold as played (you still beat some value, namely 77 and AJ) although you do lose to some A9, T9, and 9x of clubs. Raising seems very ambitious.
I think the second hand is even more straightforward as a check-evaluate. Maybe you can bluff-catch a small bet from the opponent, but it doesn't feel like your hand is a great candidate for either a bluff or value bet.
I gather you opened to $20 in hand 1? Is that the standard open in this game? Seems a tad small to me, but probably okay.
Hand 1, I think we can go bigger on the flop, to target his inelastic Ax combos and draws. Probably size down on the turn when T9 gets there, to see if he wants to raise.
Tough spot on river. Could see an argument for calling and folding. Probably just a sigh call. We've opened the door for him to bluff or bet worse for value when we check, and he could be over-valuing some 2P or TP combos.
Hand 2, I think we can consider folding on the flop when he bets $50 into $60 and two opponents. But calling to see what he does on the turn seems okay, sometimes.
Probably just check evaluating river when the turn checks through. Calling any bet around 1/2 pot, folding to any bet over 2/3 pot. Might sometimes go for a block bet here, but hard to see what worse hands call. Maybe some AXss hero calls occasionally.
Overall, doesn't seem to be anything egregiously wrong with how you played either hand up to the river.
Tempted to pay off in hand 1. You've opened and bet big on flop (75%) and turn (120%), but gave up on river. (Why?) Whiffed clubs might feel they have to bluff. I would think any showdown value less than 9x would x-back river. Maybe not AcXc, but you've been betting like you could beat that.
So, does this V have ~1/3 the whiffed club combos & Ax/2p you crush vs the 9x combos that beat you? I think so, but I'm a payoff monkey. Expect to lose.
#2, I'd rather x-raise flop than call his >80% cbet on 854ssc. Then keep piling, ofc. Be nice if we knew V could fold an OP 1st though.
Yes, standard open is usually $20. Often utg I open to $15 because of decreased realized equity in bad position.
When the game is very splashy, sometimes the standard open from regs/pros moves up to $30.
I gather you opened to $20 in hand 1? Is that the standard open in this game? Seems a tad small to me, but probably okay.
Hand 1, I think we can go bigger on the flop, to target his inelastic Ax combos and draws. Probably size down on the turn when T9 gets there, to see if he wants to raise.
Tough spot on river. Could see an argument for calling and folding. Probably just a sigh call. We've opened the door for him to bluff or bet worse for value when we check, and he could be over-valuing some 2P
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H1 call. AJ, AT and 77 can bet here sometimes; he shouldn't have KQ or many 9x; the one liner is scary. The rest is fine.
H2 the flop call is a bit sketchy for this size given multiway cbet. River is interesting; a bet might get some folds from TT etc but it's a very bluffable spot so you may get hero calls. I mean towards a check - calling a modest sized bet although it'd be interesting to see an overbet from V here. An alternative could be a block to discourage AK etc from blasting, but it might be a bit transparent
Hand 1: On the river, I thought he probably didn't have a lot of hands that could call a value bet. I didn't think he had lot of 9s in his range, few enough that I would have to call most river bets from him. I figured he might bluff, so I checked the river. I called his $315 bet and he showed QTo.
Hand 2: On the river, I bet out $110 in a bluff. V thought about it for a couple seconds and folded. In retrospect, it seems there are very few better hands that are folding to my bet, so maybe this was a bad play on my part.
Hand 1: On the river, I thought he probably didn't have a lot of hands that could call a value bet. I didn't think he had lot of 9s in his range, few enough that I would have to call most river bets from him. I figured he might bluff, so I checked the river. I called his $315 bet and he showed QTo.
Hand 2: On the river, I bet out $110 in a bluff. V thought about it for a couple seconds and folded. In retrospect, it seems there are very few better hands that are folding to my bet, so maybe this w
V in hand 1 seems pretty bad, if he's getting to the river with QTo, and betting pot just because you check. I'd think he should be folding that hand way before the river. If he's going to bluff with it, what hands is he hoping to fold out, when you raise pre, c-bet flop, and barrel turn?
If he's trying to fold out hands that are scared of the run-out, he doesn't need to go huge, when there's four to a straight on board.
Hand 2, turning 66 into a bluff doesn't seem crazy on the surface, double-blocking combos of 65s that turned trips and 76s that flopped a straight. But how likely is it V is opening 76s or 65s from UTG1? Maybe he has those combos in his range, but they don't make up a very big part of it.
When he c-bets flop and checks back turn, I'd think his range is likely to be PP's higher than 8x, unpaired over-cards, and flush draws. But most of those PP's are likely to keep barreling, so I'd be weighting his range more towards the missed draws, and would want to give him a chance to bluff the river on a disconnected high card that is more likely to hit his range than ours.
If he just has a higher pair, he's not likely to bet huge, so we can just check the river, with the intention of check-calling a reasonable size bet.
Hand 1: Call
Hand 2: Lead flop or maybe x/raise flop. AP bet full pot to get hero'd by A-high.