Rivering Nut Flush, and opponent likely has medium to strong hands, but you hold the AK

I'd jam it all in. If he is calling a min raise he's calling a Jam I would think at these stack depths.

I'd check the flop with a guy all in. If I bet it would be smaller.

I think I would 4b click it pre, not minding when the dead money folds out. If we get a call, we have a strong hand and there is a side pot to play for.

As played, I would actually be surprised if the guy has much of anything. When the turn goes xx after a cbet, players will stab with a lot of random garbage.

In the cases where he does have something, minraise looks stronger than a shove IMO, but V might not know that if he is a bad/inexperienced player.

Agree with this, we can fold out and take the dead money from hands that have good equity against us.

As far as river goes, seems like a clear jam, if they have a bluff they are folding to a min raise, and with these stack sizes I can’t see much of their value range finding a fold to a jam that would call a min/small raise.

Clearly going to jam if he doesn't call you win 200$ from him already if he calls great. Don't over think this. Anything but a jam here could look like fishing for more money from him after he already put in 200$ and could raise an alert.

The two players who called behind me are the [emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]]]] players at this table that I want to play pots with. The button especially has played terribly post flop, and both are fairly deep stacked, so I didn’t want to end up just heads up with the all-in player.

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I would 4! preflop. This hand isn't strong enough to trap with.

Jam river, which is a really small raise.

I would make it like 300 pre. If you isolate with dead money ahead of the short stack's range, that is a fine result. If you get called, that is also a good result.

In terms of results, since you made the nuts on the river, as played worked better. However, most of the time you don't flop a pair or good draw.

Hand 2:
Here’s another hand from the same session and table last night. V is different. He is a quiet 60’s Filipino man, who hasn’t made much of an impression on me, seems generally straightforward with his play.

KdJd UTG, I open $15. The players in the hand described earlier in this thread have been calling a lot with marginal hands, so I am quite surprised it folds to the BB, and I say “Wow my little raise is going to get all the way through.”

BB calls.
($30) Flop Ks Kc 8s
Check. Check.
Turn 5h
V bets $15. I raise to $30. V calls.
($90) River Js
V checks.
I bet $120.
V raises to $320.
V has $800 left behind. I cover him.
What should my raise amount be?

All in with both hands.

Don't check the flop in hand 2

I 4bet pre 100% of the time and I'm probably just going to jam straight over the top.

River is a shove from me, he is probably going to fold some rubbish but my assumption is he's going to be inelastic for an extra $200 vs. $460. Not like we have $1K behind.

Hand 2, cbet the flop, as played raise more than the minimum legal amount on the turn. Jam river. If he is raising for value, he should have a worse boat.

In the hand from the OP, I could go either way with flatting or 4B'ing over LJ's jam. It would suck to 4B, get called by one or both other opponents, and have to fold after whiffing on the flop after bloating the pot. I think if we're going to be playing multi-way, it may be better to have a higher SPR.

Flop c-bet of 1/2 pot seems a little large, and is likely to fold out a lot of hands we want V to continue with. When he calls, I'd think he has a decently strong hand, or a good draw.

Good check-back on turn 8d that brings in JT and some 2P combos of Q8/98. V might also get here with some more speculative hands that pick up equity, like 76hh.

River, when V donks $200 into $665, leaving only $460 behind, he probably doesn't have a huge hand, but he is either making a weak bluff, or block betting with some sort of thin value. Obviously his bluffs aren't calling any raise, but his thin value might.

Asking what sizing to raise doesn't make much sense. A min-click is $400. A jam is only $660. Just stick it in. The pot will be $1525, and he'll be getting 3.3 to 1 on a call. Even 2P is going to have a hard time finding a fold. And if he folds to $660, he's probably folding to $400, so it doesn't make any difference.

Reveal:

Hand 1: I tank for 10-15 sec, and raise all-n. V thinks for less than 10 seconds, picks up his cards, shows JT to neighbor and folds. (Would you guys call a 1/2 pot bet with an open-ender on the flop and 2 hearts on the board?)

I was surprised he could lay down a straight, especially after his flop call. Must be my nit image.

Anway, that's why I asked about sizing here.

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Hand 2: I shoved all-in on the river. (In the moment I thought he had about $600 behind, he actually had $800ish.)
He snap called me with 88. I was surprised he snap called. Maybe my small bets threw him off?

V's repping trip K's, worse boats, or maybe a straight with QT. Occasionally maybe this is slow-played AA/QQ. V's check-raise size is small, though, likely indicating he's not sure his hand is good.

I don't know if V is going to call a jam for $1120 when the pot is only $530. I might raise to $720 here. The pot will be $1130, and he'll be getting a little less than 3 to 1 on a call. He'll have a hard time folding any of the hands he's repping for value getting that sort of price.

If you jam, the pot will be $1530, and he'll be getting less than 2 to 1. He might find a hero fold with every hand that isn't a worse boat.

I played a similar hand to these two last night, at 1/3, rivering the nut flush on a four flush board, OOP, after raising pre and going bet-bet-bet. The pot was $500 getting to the river, with about $700 left in my stack, and villain having me covered by about four hundred more.

I thought about jamming, because V was clearly there to gamble, but thought better of it. Loose players will make loose calls when we give them a price that seems too good to pass up, but they'll get gun-shy when the price gets too steep.

Instead of jamming, I bet $400, just 80% pot. When he was in the tank for about half a minute, I started talking, "What do you have? It must be pretty good if you're tanking this long..."

He was a middle-aged Latino guy, making big bets, and showing his bluffs - the sort of guy who doesn't like looking weak, a table bully, basically. I knew he wouldn't appreciate me challenging his manhood with my table talk. He says, "I have $400!", sort of angrily, and flicks in the call.

I scoop, and he proceeds to tilt off another $400-$500 in the next hour, before picking up and leaving with about $300.

Sometimes it's better to give up some EV in the current hand, when getting to showdown is likely to put an opponent on tilt, creating more future EV.

I don't think your min-click gets called in Hand 1 if you have a nit image. So I don't think you lost value by jamming. If he was going with his hand, he'd have bet bigger. He bet a size that allowed him to fold to a raise.

Hand 2, you happened to run into the top of his range, so jamming worked out. But I think raising smaller is still better. If we make it $400 more, instead of $800 more, his boats are often just going to jam over the top, not flat call, so we get all the money anyway, while still getting value from the worse hands in his range.

I would ship it pre, making it 250 when they’re going to put us on AK is going to be hard to play profitably. Jam river of course.

In hand 1, H has 460 behind, not 660.
So the jam raise would be to 460 (instead of a min raise to 400).

For a tiny difference of 60, it's a no brainer jam.

V has already put $200 into the pot, so the jam would be for $460 more, not $260 more. Min-clicking would be $400, a jam would be $660, for a difference of $260, not $60.

All in on river both times.

Would bet flop larger H1, it makes playing the rest of the hand easier.

H has 460 behind, so the jam would be for 260 more.
200 to call the bet + 260 on top = 460.

Jam in hand 1, stacks aren't deep enough to go smaller.

Jam hand 2 also, but I don't like checking flop or the cutsie min-raise on turn. You should look to bet relatively small on flop, quarter pot to half pot, plan to barrel turn large and river large too on good runouts. When you check the turn you are less likely to get max value.

Also hand 1 cold calling villains are capped pre, you ahould either click it or jam. You want to fold out hands that currently have you beat, all the pairs they could have. You also want to fold out hands that have equity. You're better off knocking people out of the hand and playing the smaller pot heads up, getting to see all 5 cards, and playing for the dead money.

Dude, that's just bad math.

V donked river for $200, with another $460 behind. If hero jams, it's for $660 total, the $460 V had left behind, and the original $200 donk bet.

If you want to check the numbers, go back to the beginning, and subtract what V put into the pot on each street from his starting stack of $930 - $104 pre-flop and $165 on the flop. He gets to the river with $661 in his stack.

So, it's another $461 on top of his $200 donk, not another $261.

Jam. You actually look stronger if you bet less than that given the pot is a lot larger than his stack.

My bad, I reread the OP and saw that V had 460 behind, not H like I thought.

Sorry for the fuss, nothing to see, carry on...