Just a couple of guys and gals out on the town

Bet 50 on turn and if called jam any blank river.. if he has the straight so be it

I am checking this hand back a lot pre-flop...

As played, I would think that this card is basically a range check? Obviously there is still a ton of stuff to get value from (i.e. pair plus draw) but you reallly don't want to continue to bloat the pot in this spot where your opponent has soooo much more Tx than you do.

I would check-call and evaluate river. If it goes xx and the river is a blank I would value bet our hand.

Not sure about QQ on the bomb pot with 883 and K42. You don't have anywhere near the nuts on either board.

Size up on the flop. I'd bet 2/3 pot. There aren't that many more hands villian will call $20 but fold $40. AK/JJ are unlikely to be in villian's hand. This is a very strong value hand.

We kind of screwed ourselves with the small size. Now we are in check/decide territory. Based on the reads given, I'd say we ch/c ~1/2 pot and less and fold to bigger bets.

Yeah, I know OP likes small cbets, but I don't think they are good on a wet board like this.

I would check and generally call the turn, and reevaluate the river. However, the flop sizing doesn't have much to do with the turn decision.

HU I probably bet $30 again on the flop, checking is also fine OOP can even x/r small bets. If we had the Q♥ I might bet $40-$60.

Turn AP I check, planning on calling most bet sizes. If he shoves 220 I probably fold, if he bets $80-$100 I'm unhappy and might fold.

I knoooow I'm not sure if I was tiltcity or not. I was getting almost 2.5:1. It was like 90$ in the pot and one guy call-folded for small sizing then someone jammed for like 185 and a call and I had 200.. thought they both had a K or both had an 8 often enough.

Posting result because I'm still salty:

This is much worse than I assumed ... I can imagine shoving over a single bet and hoping at worst you'll be HU with one board each and it being fine, but calling vs. two is when you really need to think about folding QQ (or any mid hand on both boards).

It's like when you've got 7d6d on Kd9d8 ... it's a monster HU, or if you think it'll be at worst HU, but as soon as 2+ other people start piling money in you need to be very careful because one of them will often have a lot of your equity.

yeah, I guess I felt entitled when I saw QQ being card dead.

Bomb pot sounds terrible.

I don’t like raising over this many limps out of the BB with a marginal hand, even more so with a bad short term image. You won’t be dominated often, but you will be behind Ax and pair holdings that call you in position.

Haven't read the rest of the thread yet.

That double-board bomb pot seems like an easy fold with QQ. Sorry. Not trying to rub salt in the wound.

As for the KQo hand...

PRE - I mean...raising KQ in the BB over umpteen limps can't be terrible, generally.

Not sure if we should just flat call and see a flop multi-way and OOP, or try to take it down pre, knowing at least one of these guys (probably the loose-passive V) is likely to call. I don't hate it. And the size seems right to me.

FLOP - Fer cryin' out loud, Banana, when are you going to stop c-betting every flop from OOP as the PFR? Just check, and let V stab at it.

If he doesn't, fine, we can make a delayed c-bet on the turn. If he bets small, we can check-raise. If he bets big, we can check-call. If he bets stupid-big, we can check-fold.

We literally have no idea what V may have when we c-bet 1/3 pot from OOP and he just flat calls. If we check, he's likely to bet small with all his draws, and big with all his 2P+.

Even though he's loose-passive, even those types of players will bet for protection on scary boards like this. Even if he checks back with his draws, he probably wasn't folding those hands to a 1/3 pot bet anyway.

TURN - We're mostly just trying to get to the river without getting pot committed. With only $220 remaining, I could see checking here, for pot control, expecting him to bet his straights, and his draws, and perhaps some worse 2P. I might find a fold if a loose-passive player decides to bet big here.

If you want to bet, I'd bet super-small, like $40. But even at that, if he raises, it's going to be a gross set up for a less than 0.3 SPR going to the river, so I think just checking is going to be better than betting, and possibly being put in the blender by a raise. Especially since a $40 bet might induce him to spaz, whereas he might bet small if we check.

Oof.

Go home, Banana. You're broke.

Next time fold your 2P when loose-passive V calls pre, calls flop, and bets YUGE when we check to him on the four-to-a-straight, three Broadway, two-flush draws board.