Got check raised 4 times by the same guy in one session

Got check raised 4 times by the same guy in one session

10/20. 8 handed. Private game
I have only been invited a couple of times and this game plays big and loose. All stacks are between 5k and 20k. Raise-reraise-call-call is a common preflop action.

In this game, I was check-raised 4 times by the same player in one 8 hour session. The villain is 40s Asian and super LAG. I haven't played enough with him to know if he is a long-term winner, but he is always aggressive. I know I can't fold all of these and have a prayer at hanging in this game. How do you decide when to continue versus fold in these situations? Do I just need to put on my big-boy-pants and accept this variance to play in this game?

Hand 1:
V raises 75 on LJ.
HJ calls.
Hero on BTN sees QQ, raises to 300. V calls.
(~750) Flop: 893
V checks. Hero bets 500. V raises to 1500.
Hero???

Hand 2:
V raises raises 75 on LJ.
HJ raises to 200.
Hero on BTN sees KK, raises to 600. V calls.
(~1000) Flop: Q109
V checks. Hero bets 800. V raises to 2000.
Hero???

Hand 3:
V raises raises 75 on LJ.
Hero on BTN sees AK, raises to 300. V calls.
(~500) Flop: J103
V checks. Hero bets 300. V calls.
(~1100) Turn: A
V checks. Here bets 600. V raises 1500.
Hero???

Hand 4:
V limps.
Hero on BTN sees J10, raises to 75. V calls.
(~200) Flop: J53
V checks. Hero bets 200. V calls.
(~600) Turn: 10
V checks. Here bets 600. V calls.
(~1800). River 8
V checks. Hero bets 1000. V raises to 2500.
Hero????

This is my first post so thank you for taking the time to read!

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29 December 2024 at 07:31 AM
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Stack sizes for each hand are pretty important. Quick glance I can’t really ever imagine folding hand 1 or 4


Hand 1: The board is wet and villain likely has a bunch of draws. With a short stack I would shove over his reraise, with a deeper stack flat and see what the turn is. Shoving a deep stack is wasting too much when villain does already have hero beat.
Hand 2: You block the various JX draws. I would flat and see what happens.
Hand 3: Best option for just folding. Your hand is obvious and the turn raise likely stronger. Still need to call sometimes to pick off bluffs and semi-bluffs.
Hand 4: Obvious call, top two is too strong to give up.

One thing to pin down with this sort is how many flops are they seeing and how often are they aggressive? Are they bluffing/semi-bluffing a lot or are they luck boxing and have it a lot when they raise? For obvious reasons this will play heavily into how often you play back at them.
And yes, variance will be high. Against a villain that aggressive you will be getting to showdown more often with weaker hands. You will be beat sometimes, the goal is too win more then you lose, not win every time you get to showdown.


Welcome to the forum, and I realize these hands are related, but few folks are going to take the time to analyze and respond to that many hands. Also, stacks *really* matter in these hands.

I'd consider re-posting as a series of separate posts with some time between them and for each after the first, put the previous hand in as relevant history.


Stack sizes would help. Also good to know other opponents' actions, especially when the pot doesn't look right. Like, in hand one, the pot is $750 on the flop, but we're heads up after raising to $300 pre?

H1 - I call. We have an over-pair on a wet board where V will have a lot of bluffs, all of which we unblock, and his thick value will want to raise bigger than 3x. Depending on SPR, I might 3B.

H2 - I call. We have an over-pair and ISSD, we double block the nuts (KJ), and V's raise size is a paltry 2.5x. I would seriously consider 3B'ing.

H3 - this one's close. Turn check raises are less likely to be bluffs, and that ace is likely to improve our hand. We block some KQ combos, and unblock clubs, and V's raise size is just 2.5x. I probably call, and evaluate river. But I might find a fold on this one.

H4 - V's repping Q9/97 of clubs for value, and only raising to 2.5x? I don't buy it. I call.

Your flop c-bet sizes are all too large. Your turn bet sizes in hands 3 and 4 are too small (PSB in 4 is debatable, but I over-bet there, especially against this V). V may be pouncing on these bet sizes because he thinks you're a weak player or scared money.

The way to counter a hyper-aggro, check-raise happy V is to check back more with some of our more thin value holdings, c-bet smaller with a wider and more polarized range including value and bluffs, and to 3B with our strongest holdings.


Thanks all of your kind feedback on my first post. 😀

Let me close this thread and start a new thread with the hand #1 (the hand I really want feedback on). The results on the other hands are:

Hand 2:
Effective stacks: 10k.
V raises raises 75 on LJ.
HJ raises to 200.
Hero on BTN sees KK, raises to 600. V calls.
(~1000) Flop: Q109r
V checks. Hero bets 800. V raises to 2000.

Result: Hero calls x-raise on flop.
Turn (~5000): blank. Hero check-calls 4k with ~4k behind.
River (~10k). blank. Hero check-calls 4k all in.
Villian shows AQdd and hero scoops the pot.
From V's reaction, he thought he taking me to value town with TPTK...

Hand 3:
Effective stacks are ~7.5k.
V raises raises 75 on LJ.
Hero on BTN sees AK, raises to 300. V calls.
(~500) Flop: J103
V checks. Hero bets 300. V calls.
(~1100) Turn: A
V checks. Here bets 600. V raises 1500.

Result:
Hero calls $1500.
Turn (4000): blank
V all-in for remaining 4k. Hero calls.
V shows KQo and villain scoops the pot.
I really did not expect KQ here, given that I had one blocker...

Hand 4:
V limps.
Hero on BTN sees J10, raises to 75. V calls.
(~200) Flop: J53
V checks. Hero bets 200. V calls.
(~600) Turn: 10
V checks. Here bets 600. V calls.
(~1800). River 8
V checks. Hero bets 1000. V raises to 2500.

Result: Hero calls.
Villain shows A7ss for a busted flush draw.

So there you have it. From this hand history, we see villain x-raising with TPTK, the nut straight, and a busted flush draw.
Given this knowledge, I will start a new thread to get folks advice on how to play hand #1.

@docvail: Can you please elaborate on why we should "c-bet smaller with a wider and more polarized range including value and bluffs" against hyper-agro villains? My thought is that, given this villain is hyper aggro and never folding to c-bets, we should be c-betting for value only and as large as possible. Of course, we will need to mix in bluffs if villain adjusts (I would wait to see the adjustment first), but why do we want to c-bet smaller?

Thanks!


he made u rich lol


by Bichon_Frise k

@docvail: Can you please elaborate on why we should "c-bet smaller with a wider and more polarized range including value and bluffs" against hyper-agro villains? My thought is that, given this villain is hyper aggro and never folding to c-bets, we should be c-betting for value only and as large as possible. Of course, we will need to mix in bluffs if villain adjusts (I would wait to see the adjustment first), but why do we want to c-bet smaller?

Thanks!

In theory, as the PFR and IP, we should be playing a mixed strategy of checking back some flops, c-betting smaller sometimes, and c-betting larger sometimes. In practice, implementing a mixed strategy perfectly is pretty difficult, and we benefit from simplifying our strat as much as possible.

If we're always c-betting with value, never with bluffs, and always for a big size, we're going to be very easy to exploit. V can just check-fold when he misses and blast off on the turn when we check back.

It's unusual to find an opponent who is going to check-raise a lot when we c-bet big. If we c-bet small in all the hands below, and got check-raised, we'd have an easy decision to continue by calling.

Ordinarily, my usual strat is to range bet for a small size when IP as the pre-flop raiser. Generally, when we're betting frequently, we should be betting smaller, and when we're betting infrequently, we should be betting larger. Range betting for a small size is likely to get calls from a wider range, and induce raises from our opponents' strongest value holdings, such that our opponents' ranges are capped when they flat call.

I will sometimes deviate and either check back or bet larger - typically on ace-high boards, or when I flop super-thick yet vulnerable value, especially in multi-way pots.

But against an opponent who likes to check-raise a lot, not just with thick value, but also with thin value and bluffs, I'd start checking back some of my more moderate strength hands and weaker draws - hands that are going to have a hard time calling a flop check raise and continuing across turns if V barrels.

Instead of range betting, I'd be betting more polar, but still for a smaller size, so that when V check-raises, we get max value with our strongest hands and lose the minimum when we bet-fold our weakest hands.

My plan to counter this V's aggression would include some flop 3B's with our nutted hands and 15-out combo draws, and some flat calls to evaluate turn with our thick value, thin value, showdown value, and lower equity draws. I would anticipate that if V is check-raising with some bluffs or thin value, that he'll have some give-ups on the turn.


by Bichon_Frise k

Hand 2:
Effective stacks: 10k.
V raises raises 75 on LJ.
HJ raises to 200.
Hero on BTN sees KK, raises to 600. V calls.
(~1000) Flop: QT9r
V checks. Hero bets 800. V raises to 2000.

Result: Hero calls x-raise on flop.
Turn (~5000): blank. Hero check-calls 4k with ~4k behind.
River (~10k). blank. Hero check-calls 4k all in.
Villian shows AQdd and hero scoops the pot.
From V's reaction, he thought he taking me to value town with TPTK...

It's obviously a bit results orientated, and you can probably pay someone who is much better than I to give you advice if you are playing for these stakes ... but I think you should shove turn. You only have 4k behind so he's unlikely to shove JJ/JT/J9/AJ on the river, but will probably call it off on the turn, and on the other side it's difficult for you to fold on a few of the cards V likes (eg. K,Q,T,9 are all guessing games) and with the kind of hand V had he'll probably slow down on a K,T,9,8 river but calls it off terrible here.


yeah thread is a mess, if you make individual threads w stacks id be happy to respond, although i do understand why you posted them as a series of 4 hands.

sizing choices look not great in all of them (jt probably doesnt belong in pot strat on h4 should overbet turn, kk i think way too big in cold 4b pot where you're likely at polarity disadv hh doesnt make sense where u get xr otf and then somehow cc turn and river, ak i dont think really makes sense to open the action ott with a hand that can't go for 3)

seems like the next pugdolk account tbh


Overall I would say your cbetting range is too weak and most of these are calls.


I don't like the turn bet in Hand 3.

Could argue for a flop check in Hand 2 but if you feel like villain will attack this board light then go ahead and bet it and get ready to get your money in.

Hands 1&4 look fine.


Handling aggression is just as much about what range you show up with once they show that aggression as it is about how you react to it. In other words, I would look at your play BEFORE the raises.

I like your pot-sized bet OTT in H4. Every other bet ITT just seems like the thought process was "I have top pair, so I bet big, I'll figure the rest out later."

Very general advice, I know, but it's a very general HH.

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