Line check 5/5//10
Playing 9 handed. £1k effective
Villain 1 is an accomplished tourney player but I haven't seen that translate over to cash.
Villain 2 is the biggest whale in the game and these stakes are small for him.
2 limpers pre including Villain 2, HJ makes it £50, we call on the BTN with 54ss. Villain 1 calls from the BB, straddle calls and both pre flop limpers call
Flop (£305)
37J one spade
Checks through (should we stab here with our gutshot and back door spades in position?)
Turn Qs
Villain 1 bets out £150, Villain 2 flats, we flat
River (£755)
8s
Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 goes all in covering both of us.
Hero?
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11 Replies
Ugh...you called preflop with a trap hand, and not even closing the action. And now you're in a predictably perilous situation.
I would go find David Tennant, ask where the Tardis is, and then go back in time and fold preflop.
Lol, seems like a soft 5/5/10 game. Probably fold river, but as mentioned that is partly why you should fold preflop.
no, don't stab otf.
if people are saying fold river, why should we even call the turn then? With two players already in, if we flat and we think we would have to fold to a psb if we hit a flush, then just fold ott. I'm not sure which way would be better, but as played vs the whale I'm not folding otr.
Seems like an automatic call vs whale, unless V1 and villain are a lot deeper than you. If villain is betting $5k into a $800 pot, we might range him differently than $1000 into an 800 pot.
Given spades are backdoor, villain could certainly shove t9 for example, but I would expect whale to have all sorts of value hands and bluffs here.
Pre, flop, and turn are all whatever to me. You should be capable of making either play on any of the streets.
OTR: It's not a fold in theory and to the extent that "biggest whale in the game and these stakes are small for him" is a useful read, it certainly doesn't make me lean toward fold.
Seems like an automatic call vs whale, unless V1 and villain are a lot deeper than you. If villain is betting $5k into a $800 pot, we might range him differently than $1000 into an 800 pot.
Given spades are backdoor, villain could certainly shove t9 for example, but I would expect whale to have all sorts of value hands and bluffs here.
Yeah, unless we're missing some huge relevant info about what makes this guy the biggest whale, this just has to be a call.
Pre is close. It's neither printing nor torching.
Main issue with preflop is SPR; a 5x raise at 100BB means you won't have much room to manoeuvre postflop, particularly if limpers come along, which they do.
Stabbing flop against 5 opponents is probably asking for trouble particularly given lack of stack depth.
As playbig mentioned, calling turn is a bit flaky if you're going to fold river. As played I would call river vs a whale; you may be outflushed occasionally (it would be best if the flop spade was the Jack) but that'll happen sometimes when you get sucked in to playing multiway with baby suited connectors.
It’s a pot sized jam by a whale. This is a fist pump call.
ill bet pre is losing tbh but how could u do anything but call the river. yeah its hard to find bluffs but like ak, at, kt, k9 for starters and hes probably got random pairs he turns into a bluff too. flop seems ok to mix to me. its not even clear to me that whale can't conceivably jam t9 bc he dunno what else to do
it seems sort of likely to me u called and lost bc why else make the thread but what can u do. sometimes bad things happen to good people.
River seems like a fist pump call (we made BDF, right?) vs this V. If V1 also has flush oh well. This is why we played this hand. High five dealer and call.
Snap call river, whale has 2 pair 97% of the time, a straight 2% and a better flush 1%