AQo 4-bet pot, 0.7 SPR on the turn, bluff jam or give up?
1/2. 8-handed. Villain is a reg who normally plays 1/3. This hand happened in the afternoon just before New Years' Eve. Good vibe at the table.
Hero was the effective stack with about 275.
Hero opened with AQo UTG to 8.
Folded till V who 3! from BTN to 25.
Hero had 2 or 3 sessions' history with V in the last a couple of months. I don't think V would perceive me as particularly tight, but we never know.
H 4! to 65 (terrible sizing, yeah, h got the maths wrong), V checked my stack depth and just called.
Flop (130) 9 4 3 rainbow.
Hero c-bet for 55, V checked for my stack again, and called.
Turn (240) 6 of the 4th suit.
Hero had 167 behind, just less than 0.7 SPR. The only positive thing about the pre-flop sizing mistake is probably that now we at east have 0.7 SPR.
Hero?
Thanks in advance and Happy New Year!
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How often is he 3betting pre? I would usually want more history with him then just a couple sessions over the past few months to 4bet, we're turning our hand into a bluff and hoping he's folds but his range shouldn't be that wide in general after 3betting a UTG raiser. Even if he 3bets often, he should still be taking your opening range into consideration.
I would also wanna be deeper to 4bet.
As played I would c/f the turn. I don't think betting your last 167 accomplishes anything (he'd be a fool to fold).
Happy New Year!!!!!!
How often is he 3betting pre?
As played I would c/f the turn. I don't think betting your last 167 accomplishes anything (he'd be a fool to fold).
His 3 bet frequency is normal as a reg - given that he doesn't jam pre-flop, we can rule out AK, AA & KK. Earlier this session I had quite a few early position open which never went to showdown, so maybe he got somewhat suspicious.
I think by arriving at the turn, he is most likely to be holding TT & JJ. 99 & QQ are also possible, but needs to be discounted. We blocked QQ, and QQ is unlikely to fold at 0.7 SPR, 99 hit a set already.
Is it reasonable to narrow down the questions to, is it wise to get TT & JJ to fold on the turn with 0.7 SPR?
I first liked the 4-bet...and then I checked the solver for x4 raise with live rake, and AQo is a pure fold.
I guess I can see the logic, since the BTN's 3-bet range is going to be extremely snug unless he perceives you as a weak or spazzy EP opener.
His 3 bet frequency is normal as a reg - given that he doesn't jam pre-flop, we can rule out AK, AA & KK. Earlier this session I had quite a few early position open which never went to showdown, so maybe he got somewhat suspicious.
I think by arriving at the turn, he is most likely to be holding TT & JJ. 99 & QQ are also possible, but needs to be discounted. We blocked QQ, and QQ is unlikely to fold at 0.7 SPR, 99 hit a set already.
Is it reasonable to narrow down the questions to, is it wise to g
Why do we think JJ-TT folds here? When V's made a production---twice---out of checking your stack count?
I don't hate 4!/f, though it is a bluff. Maybe just folding to the 3!, depending on image. Or calling. I'm guessing with stacks 90-95 would be a good 4! amount if we wanted to.
Not cbetting 943r after 4!, even for 1/3. We have a pot of 130 with 210 back, and are basically playing x-shove chicken.
AP, probably x-folding turn. We need to be good 40% of the time, and I don't think we are. Good on ya, if you soul-read V for something like AJo
Why do we think JJ-TT folds here? When V's made a production---twice---out of checking your stack count?
By checking my stack, I assume it's a sign of weakness.
I dunno what I would do if I were V with JJ-TT though. Preflop, yes maybe we call a 4! in position with JJ/TT, particularly the raise size is small. However if we put an average player' 4! range to be ak+aa+kk exclusively, do we commit all our chips and call down on a 9-high board like this?
And just because I am not sure how to play JJ in a 4! pot like this, I don't know how good at all is my fold equity to jam turn.
If I was deeper, 4! to 90-95 could certainly be better. In reality (and on the hindsight) this amount would be more than 1/3 of my total stack, so I would be more committed to jam the flop with exactly 1SPR. Then the problem for V would be, can he (let's say a good reg) call a pot-size jam otf with JJ/TT?
4b is too loose pre. 4betting AQo is more of a thing in the HJ, and even then it is probably a mix of low 4b and mainly fold.
Your 4b size actually isn't terrible though. I guess it is decent you are blocking QQ. You could have A5s here though which has much better equity as it turned open ended, so with the over you have 11 outs. You also want to unblock hands that could have called flop with a bdfd like AQs, AKs. AK no bdfd might even call once on the flop. But he can also trap some AA, KK.
If the stakes were bigger, a really on point reg might make an exploitative fold with a hand like JJ here assuming you usually just have him beat. If he is used to playing larger stakes though, I think he is more likely to just shrug call.
It's also worth nothing that this board isn't that wet. No fd, and hard for him to jave 5x here, so we don't have to play with turn jams. Our turn size can actually be more like 40 to target exactly AK and AQs. If we did have AA or KK, this would be a very cool way to stack QQ, JJ, TT with a 30% pot river jam. The other nice thing is that when stacks are that low, he may just jam the overpairs he decides to go with on the turn, so we save that extra $107. That might be the play actually.
Don't 4! AQ at 1/2.
Since you already turned your hand into a bluff, I would have bet smaller on the flop (35 or 40) to make an overpair more compelled to raise, and also leaving an SPR closer to 1 for the turn shove
Depending on the V you may be successful in getting 10s to fold
4! wasn't a bad idea as a bluff although I think a little high. No way I am c-betting this flop if you are going to bet here your only move is a jam which you can see if he runs a c-bet and 3! all in jam but never a call and with your stack size its all or nothing chicken master here. He called your 4! so you have to put him on AK, any small pocket pair under QQ maybe even KK or AA although I think he's jamming you if he has that pre. I'd say your up against 9s, 10s or JJ. So he either hit a set on this flop and loves it or still holds an over pair and you bet into him with that c-bet and he's sizing your stack to see how much he's about to win here. He is not folding at this point and even AK unfortunately has you beat.