Would you turn TT into a bluff here?

Based on your image it sounds like he’d snap call with QQ/KK here. We can only rep a few value combos (99 and big AdXd). I presume his 4-bet range is pretty narrow and therefore all of it beats us. I think we should check back here.

You might not call down with AK or other aces to the river. Villain seems face up KK/QQ. Hard to get someone to fold that.

“ V knows my game well and sees me as a loose cannon (he does not give my raising range ANY credit). “ - Should I try to bluff V??? lol.

What wre the sizing tells you say he has and how can we relate them to this hand? What do you know about his 4b range?

I actually think it's not inconceivable v has an A and is now letting us blast off with our image. 150 into 400 ott when a FD is out there doesn't scream KK, QQ to me on a player with sizing tells. Kind of feels like either JJ or he was bluffing with A high and got there. Kind of checks out for, "thinking about the game and transitioning into a winning TAG."

But I think we need info on v's sizing tells and any history of his 4b pots. And how stationy he is.

Pre looks good. Might go a little bigger, 50 pre. Flatting is a somewhat attractive alternative because of the whale in the straddle, esp of there are other weak passive recs. V is definitely going too small for being ~160 straddles deep. You are still getting good implied odds to set mine and if v is working in some light 4b into his game, and pair can still be ahead pre. V should go more like 3.5x at thos depth.

If he sees you as a loose cannon and all the draws you could bluff missed, not sure why you would consider anything but checking and giving up.

Seems like a very easy checkback, Hero isn't going out to fold enough (any?) better hands. So Hero would be targeting a very small value range of something like 77,88,kq?

I also assume villain does not give you credit for Ad:dd.

hero has showdown value, nothing wrong with checking back and winning

flop is probably a fold tbh

Just call preflop so we can play with the whale. You see a lot more cold calling at deeper stacks as well in theory.

As played X back river. I don’t think he folds JJ-KK.

Result:

? I mean lets all make up make believe hands and make threads about them at this point.

I suggest you check out the non threadworthy hands thread, most of your hands fit in there.

I probably lean to a call preflop (but admittedly I'm not comfortable at deepstack). I'm cool with inviting the whale along, I'd hate to be reraised and forced to fold, we're fine setmining if it goes extremely multiway, etc. Thanks to the minraise / stack sizes / being in position against a likely face up hand, I'm fine with calling the 4bet.

I lean to a flop fold. We really think this guy is getting too out-of-line here? But then again, in my smaller stack game there is no such thing as a 4bet (as it is equivalent to an all-in), so maybe your game differs?

Folding the turn for the same reasons. Really, this guy is "passive" and he's 4betting / double barreling with something we beat?

Against someone that he thinks is often FOS, his river check doesn't necessarily imply KK-. All our draws busted so he could easily be inducing with AA (was it your recent thread that had someone check twice OOP to you with a set to tarp?). The only hand that we were ahead of that he could be barrelling was AKdd which has now got there to tarp. And with all the busted flush draws / straight draws, I'm not convinced he folds KK- either. I give up and expect to lose pretty much 99% of the time.

ETA: I don't understand the fake out on the river? Was this just an exercise in what we would have done had he checked?

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I agree.

His 4bet pre isn't 9x or Ax after cbetting 100 into 200 (could be, but mostly not based on my experience, and we're deciding now whether or not to go broke in the rest of the hand).

I would sigh fold otf. I'm only calling pre because it's 55 to call and if we get lucky enough to flop a set vs an overpair we're getting paid.

meh. flop is mix / indifferent without bdfd but theres a couple reasons would just pure fold here. i doubt he 4bs the a5ss type air combos based on v description and also stacks / its his last hand. given pre sizing going to end up here with nearly entire 3betting range as opposed to mixing this kind of combo and ur just going to have too much low equity bloat going into later streets (vs whats already too strong of a range).

dont mind flat pre but i also expect v to play super passively given its last hand (who wants to get stacked on v last hand while up big?) so i think ev of 3b will be higher than normal too

How can a loose passive transition to a tag? What did that even mean.... These things are complete opposites

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Fold the flop, because this is a 1/3 game and a 4! is likely AA/KK.

Checked in GTOw (200bb, 6max, UTG vs. HJ).

Also solver leans fold with the mix (57% fold), because it doesn't like having a heart as well as not liking not having the BDFD.

Also note that solver folds 66% preflop to the 4bet.
Also note that solver calls the open 45%.

So solver makes it to the turn with 43% of 34% of 55% of this TT combo.

Also FWIW it also likes to fold this turn with our combo. 45% of the time (it will rando shove 36% of the time though).

Then checks back 72% and shoves the rest, vs. a check on the river.
But likes to call 66% vs. a river shove (don't try this at home -- although it's 4% of the time this combo. gets here).