Flopped overpair w/ 66 multi-way... felt lost

Flopped overpair w/ 66 multi-way... felt lost

$1/3 NL - 7 handed

Hero: UTG (6️ 6😉
Villain(s): BB, LJ, HJ, CO
Effective Stack: $400

CO and BB are the main Villains. BB is older Asian guy, a bit unknown. CO was the biggest weak spot at the table, 80%+ VPIP, including in raised pots. My image is tight preflop and patient.

Preflop blinds ($4):
Hero: UTG (6️ 6😉

Hero raises $12 UTG (7 handed), LJ calls, HJ calls, CO calls, BB calls

I mistakenly thought it was 6-handed and opted to RFI with 66. In a 9-handed loose game, I would have simply mucked 66 UTG... and had I realized it was 7-handed, I may have made a tighter fold preflop. Thoughts?

Flop ($55): 2️ 2️ 4
BB bets $31, Hero calls, LJ folds, HJ folds, CO calls

I felt rather lost on the flop -- I had an overpair, but there were four others in the hand, including BB betting into my preflop aggression. I thought I had potential value with my 6️ 6️, but it was highly vulnerable to future streets. But, I was afraid to raise and put even more money in the pot with three people still to act, so I just called.

Turn ($148): 2️ 2️ 4️ 7
BB checks, Hero bets $70, CO calls, BB folds

When BB didn't continue betting here, I assumed he was weak and also figured the 7️ didn't change much. I thought I still had some value and wanted to take back control of the hand. When CO called the flop bet, that didn't raise any red flags for me since he had such a high VPIP and also often peeled with a wide range on flops (even overcards). I decided to make a half-pot value bet. I was relieved to see BB fold here. Thoughts?

River ($287): 2️ 2️ 4️ 7️ 5
Hero bets $70 ...

When CO just calls flop and turn without raising in position, I assumed he didn't have a big hand and was just being sticky. In previous hands, he seemed to stick around on multiple streets with a wide variety of things, so I wondered if he was hanging around with a flush draw. I had a hard time analyzing his range in live-time. Since the flush didn't hit on the river, I thought I could still be good. The pot was pretty big at this point, and I was afraid that if I checked, he could bet large as a bluff and I'd be scared to call. I felt pretty lost here... if I bet, why am I betting? Am I betting for thin-value? Am I betting as a bluff? I felt confused. In the end, I didn't want to get bluffed off the potential thin value I thought I had, so I made a small bet of $70 (which I guess might be considered a blocker bet). I'm particularly interested in thoughts about this street.

Thanks in advance, everyone!

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17 January 2025 at 04:01 AM
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I would have x/called the river (depending on the bet), we have a pretty good bluff catcher, and if he had a flush draw, let's let him bluff if he decides to.


My goal when playing poker is to win money, not pots. When someone makes a decent sized donk bet into 4 people, I'd just let 66 go. Maybe I have the best hand, but too often I won't. And if I do have the best hand, nobody should be calling a turn bet without a strong read.


The PF raise is fine, unless you're in a game with a lot of 3-betting. The flop is tricky, not because someone has a 2, but because at a typical low limit table people are calling with all PPs up to JJ/QQ to an EP raise.

OTOH, save for an OESD, this is about the best non-set flop 66 is ever going to see, so I really don't like folding to the donk bet. I think all three options are OK for Hero, although part of me wants to raise the flop in order to try to get other whiffed PPs to fold, although I can also get behind the "call and see" approach.

As played, I'm probably just x-calling the river, especially given the likelihood that CO has a busted draw.


The donk represents a really strong bet leading into your UTG preflop raising range, but something about it feels off. Like, if he has a deuce it's the world's easiest check/raise. Maybe I'm compromised by knowing that he check/folds the turn, or maybe I'm just smelling what you're smelling. The only hand I fear behind me is A2s (well, CO could have a 2, but he probably has random crap), so while I doubt I'd summon up the courage to do so in-game, I think the right play is raising the flop. Besides, they don't know you have sixes. You ought to have a strong range here, so have it.

Turn fine as played, BB knows a 4 is no good and CO still has random crap.

The river depends on whether CO is the type of fish who only bets when he has it. I'm checking and calling a significant bet otherwise. If he has a 2 or a 7, so be it.


Folding flop is probably best although it’s close


I like it. The raise pre is OK sometimes when short, and seven is kind of short. Not folding flop, I like the bet on the turn. Probably check/decide river, but I don't mind the bet -- it's not folding out much that beats you (if anything), though. Maybe he calls w/ A4.


Even though we're "only" 7 handed, we're still in EP, so 66 just barely falls into my folding range (77 is in my limping in range, so whatever). At loose tables (standard by the looks of this result?) where we're going to go very multiway and mostly best hand wins postflop, I think if raising I'd go much smaller to simply juice (our 4x raise setup a 6.5 SPR and it doesn't need to be that small).

One of the problems with preflop is that we're going to be OOP to most of the field, which puts us in a lot of hope + pray spots, which ain't great. I also just call the flop, hope no one raises behind me, and then see what happens on the turn (but I doubt folding is horrible given all the good things that have to happen for us to continue).

Think I'm ok with the turn given action.

He'd have to be extremely sticky to make a thin blocking value bet better than a check to induce a bluff from busted draws (of which there are some), even as uncomfortable as we would be calling a large bet.

Overall, we've built a massive pot OOP with an extremely marginal hand, which is something I never attempt to do. The more expert you are, the more you may be ok doing this.

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bet turn smaller

check river.

flop is close but i guess you have to call.


Bet closer to pot on the turn and similar again on the river..

As played if I was the CO I would be raising the river with any two cards, one of the easiest bluffs to pull the trigger on

Pre flop raise is fine, even if 9 handed


I like the preflop raise, particularly because you are UTG. You want a multiway pot, which is what you got. IMO, limp/calling is also OK. This is usually a fold in a tighter game, like 5/10+, most online games, or most tournament situations.

I would fold the flop to the lead. This is going to be really difficult to play. When it goes 6 ways, you are mostly just set mining or looking for a straight draw or something like that. If it went 2 or 3 ways, you could cbet/bluff on certain boards.


by gobbledygeek k

Overall, we've built a massive pot OOP with an extremely marginal hand, which is something I never attempt to do. The more expert you are, the more you may be ok doing this.

After reflecting back on the hand, GG's quote above resonates with me. I definitely built a big pot OOP with a very marginal hand and it's no surprise that I felt lost there. In retrospect, next time I may prefer to play it closer to the vest and not RFI with 66 here. However, once I RFI and am in this hand and didn't hit a set -- although the flop was so low, I feel like I ended up overvaluing my hand against so many callers and put more money in the pot than I was comfortable with.

Thanks for all the thoughts and analysis, folks. Super helpful!

Also wanted to follow up with the result of the hand:

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Villain (CO) called my $70 river blocker bet and turned over TT for the win.


Sorry no way I am calling here on the flop either re-raise 3x or fold. If he calls at that point and fires again on turn I think this is an easy lay down. A2 scoops here more often then not. This is also a very easy BB special and he got priced in to call if he hits easy scoop with 2x anything.

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