QQ's on a monotone flop.
1/3 NL 8 handed. I am effective with 400. The button has been pretty agro pre. I haven't seen him get out of line post flop but I've only been at the table for 30 minutes. He has had a couple very long tanks before betting when checked too so far. My image should be tight.
CO opens for 10, The button raises to 60, Folded to me in the BB. I raise to 160 with QdQs, The CO folds and the button calls.
(330 in pot) Jc3c5c....I check and the button quickly bets 210. I figure his range is something like JJ's, AcJ, TxTc, flopped flushes. This is just a guess. Should I have bet the flop? What should I do?
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Check on flop is fine, you need some strong hands in your checking range.
Call and see a turn.
Whoops, sorry, i math slow, put it in.
At this spr I would shove every flop.
[Removed solver analysis given the BTN's non-standard 3-bet which severely bloated the pot.]
I doubt we should be 4-betting preflop here to an amount less than a shove, unless the plan is to lure in the BTN and then plan to GII on any non-ace flop. Given the BTN's ridiculous x6 raise, Hero's nearly 3x 4-bet just left him with a really awkward flop scenario, whereas a shove would've just avoided this silly situation.
OTOH, if Hero has good reason to believe that the BTN's huge 3-bet means AA/KK/AKs, it is OK to fold.
This has to be a shove (or fold) preflop. A minclick would be a third of your stack and that would be ridiculous OOP. Just rip it unless there's a strong reason to fold.
Flop just rip it. All the Ace/King high flush draws will call, any Jack will call. Can't get cute now, yes you will lose to AA/KK/sets/flushes a lot but you have an overpair and SPR <1, it is what it is.
Aggro is one thing -- what does a $60 raise over $10 mean? I'm fine with the 4bet pre vs. this guy (if he really is aggro and the 3bets have been common in 30 minutes), but I shove the flop. As played, just gii.
I've been misplaying spots like this. Thanks for the feedback.
Are we suggesting a possible preflop jam with AA's as well? Maybe KK's? Are we jamming the QQ's because they are strong enough to get it in but might be difficult to play post flop if we don't get it all in? If the button had just raised it to 30 would we just make a standard 4 bet?
I don't like the jam pre -- I think a 4bet is better vs. a player like this as long as you are willing to call his jam pre or you are willing to jam a flop like this.
