QJo in a straddle pot.

QJo in a straddle pot.

1/3 NL 8 handed. The 6 dollar straddle is on UTG.

The straddler is a 25 ish hoodie wearing, sandal wearing kid who wreaks of weed. He is trying to be the table bully but goes too far with it. He has raised after several limpers in the straddle a couple times but has checked his option about 5 times.

The villain is in the LJ. He is an 80 ish white man. He has been fairly quiet up to this point. The two times he has raised pre he has C bet and took it down.

4 people call the straddle, it's on me in the BB with QsJc. I complete and the straddle checks.

(36 in pot) Qh5c2d...I check, it's checked to the villain in LJ who bets 25, folded to me and I call.

(86 in pot) Qh5c2d8h...I Check and he bets 55.

This hand feels gross. Should I have raised it up pre flop? Should I have bet the flop?

I was gonna do another post on squeezing from the BB in a straddle pot but I'll just add it to this won with the same characters. Would you squeeze with these?

QJo
T7s
ATo
TJs
56s

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01 February 2025 at 04:59 PM
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I hate completing in the BB with crap like QJo, but I guess it's OK when the straddler is fairly selective about when he raises preflop. Calling the straddler's potential raise or squeezing yourself with QJo would be really spewy (unless you have a very nitty image).

Once the action gets back to you on the flop, your plan going forward is really villain-dependent. However, it's not clear if a bet here means he's just stabbing at the pot, he has a decent hand like 88, or he has a hand no worse than Qx? Consequently, I think calling is fine.

However, the turn bet suggests that he's betting for value, and old dudes often aren't often raising straddled pots with KQ or even AQ.

You're in a WA/WB situation as you face the turn bet, assuming he didn't flop a set. You basically have to ask yourself two questions here:

1. Is he just as likely to be betting here with QJ/QT/Q9 as he is to be betting with AQ/KQ?

2. How likely is he to fold Qx if you snap back with a juicy checkraise here? Unfortunately, you failed to give stack sizes, so there is no way to know how much to possibly bet without knowing how much is left behind...UUGGGHHH. There also is no way to even judge the Villain's bets without knowing the stack sizes.

It goes without saying that asking about other potential squeezing hands is silly when you have a straddle pot and no stack sizes.


by Always Fondling k

I hate completing in the BB with crap like QJo, but I guess it's OK when the straddler is fairly selective about when he raises preflop. Calling the straddler's potential raise or squeezing yourself with QJo would be really spewy (unless you have a very nitty image).

Once the action gets back to you on the flop, your plan going forward is really villain-dependent. However, it's not clear if a bet here means he's just stabbing at the pot, he has a decent hand like 88, or he has a hand no worse

Regarding my image. I'm pretty sure I'm starting to get the rep of a nitty player. Open raises in these games is often 15-20 so I'm just not getting involved much. I'm sure nobody else is adjusting for the bigger raise size they are just either playing their hand or not. My gut tells me that I could probably get a raise through given my image in situations like this. I wonder if hands like 65s my be better given the playability post flop if I'm called. Also, I'm noticing quite often there are one or two players who nurse very short stacks at these games and will push all in after a squeeze from time to time.

Is it only considered a squeeze when it's a raiser and callers in between or would a raise by me in this straddle situation also be considered a squeeze? I just want to get my terminology correct.


by Always Fondling k

I hate completing in the BB with crap like QJo, but I guess it's OK when the straddler is fairly selective about when he raises preflop. Calling the straddler's potential raise or squeezing yourself with QJo would be really spewy (unless you have a very nitty image).

Once the action gets back to you on the flop, your plan going forward is really villain-dependent. However, it's not clear if a bet here means he's just stabbing at the pot, he has a decent hand like 88, or he has a hand no worse

I have 400. The villain has 500. I edited my post like seven times and still missed this.


google range interaction and learn why 66 is a way better complete than QJo. Discipline fold pre or failing that OTF.


As played, I'm ok with calling the straddle and flop and then folding turn versus player type (great to see a HH with both a weed smoking, sandle-wearing twenty-something and an OMC).

A raise from the BB over multiple callers or limps is a squeeze as far as I know.

Against the straddler in this case (with a desire to be a table captain and yet disciplined enough to not "squeeze" trash) I would consider raising hands like ATo and JTs and possibly QJo. A typical bottom of squeeze range might be AJ/KQ/QJs/99+, perhaps, so this wouldn't be a major adjustment to relatively passive game conditions, particularly if the straddle doesn't over-defend and there's no evidence of others limping in order to pounce.


Call and re-evaluate on the river, the only hand you’re really behind is KQ unless OMC is going to limp AQ

Whether I call river depends on if it’s another blank or not and the bet size

Depending on further reads and history against the villain you could raise turn intending to fold if he jams.. if he simply calls then you can consider a value bet or bluff on what the river brings


This seems like a good call preflop for half a bet against limpers. I would not fold the flop, because the limper really shouldn't have KQ/AQ or 2 pair on this flop. Turn could be a fold, depending on reads.


Pre is fine and flop call is fine, but I fold the turn vs. an older nit. The older nits in my game limp w/ KQ and AQ all the time, especially if there is a straddle. Heck, they'll limp w/ QQ.

With a tight image, I can see a raise pre, but the limp is fine. I can also see a donk on the flop -- I'm fine taking it down.

A flop check/raise would be interesting depending on how tight the LJ is, but not sure it's worth it.


I'm fine with attempting to see a cheap flop and completeting the BB so long as the straddler isn't auto-raising all of his straddles.

On a drawless flop I would mostly check/evaluate OOP. And I would probably just make a nitty fold against this player type. There's no draws he can be betting. Most old guys don't bet underpairs even if checked to them. AQ/KQ/etc. can easily be seen as a drawing hand and limped preflop. Yeah, we're ahead of the occasional QT, but we're smoked more often than not, ime. We'll fold the best hand once in a while in a small fairly meaningless pot, no biggee when that happens. Otherwise, dude is betting into eleventeen people so we really should mostly only be continuing with very strong hands or good draws, imo.

I don't get to the turn but feels like a trivial fold at this point. We think this guy is attempting to build a big pot with a hand worse than ours when we can't have any draws?

As for squeezing preflop, stacks are an obvious consideration, but I wouldn't attempt it with any of those hands after this many limpers. I would have to be a massive raise and that is really going to hurt when we run into limped monsters (which people can often do either by design or whatever).

GcluelessNLnoobG


Don't raise pre. Don't bet flop. Fold turn.


What are you guy's doing in a family pot from the BB with ATo and an agro straddler on your left? What if the straddler is not agro?


Depends on how aggro and what the other players are like. Are they waiting to limp/raise? Are they calling stations?

If I'm not worried about the rest of the table, I just go ahead and raise ATo or even limp/raise if straddle is aggro and raising w/ almost ATC.


by mongidig k

What are you guy's doing in a family pot from the BB with ATo and an agro straddler on your left? What if the straddler is not agro?

I consider A9o unplayable junk in almost any situation (with perhaps the lone exception of it folding to me on the Button). ATo is one pip better than that. Do not overvalue it, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG


by mongidig k

What are you guy's doing in a family pot from the BB with ATo and an agro straddler on your left? What if the straddler is not agro?

I'll raise ATo from the BB after a bunch of limps, assuming I don't suspect someone in EP hoping to pull off the OMC-patented limp-3B.

Not sure I care if the straddler is aggro or not, but I think I'd be more likely to do it when the straddler is aggro, not less likely. I don't want to flat, see the aggro straddler raise, get 37 callers, and feel like I'm priced in to call with ATo.

If the straddler is NOT aggro, but he is loose, I'll just raise a little bigger.


by gobbledygeek k

I consider A9o unplayable junk in almost any situation (with perhaps the lone exception of it folding to me on the Button). ATo is one pip better than that. Do not overvalue it, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Ah but we can flop broadway with AT, so maybe two pips ...


by Javanewt k

Pre is fine and flop call is fine, but I fold the turn vs. an older nit. The older nits in my game limp w/ KQ and AQ all the time, especially if there is a straddle. Heck, they'll limp w/ QQ.

With a tight image, I can see a raise pre, but the limp is fine. I can also see a donk on the flop -- I'm fine taking it down.

A flop check/raise would be interesting depending on how tight the LJ is, but not sure it's worth it.

Java's right. I'd be really surprised to see something besides AQ or KQcc/dd as described.

6-way straddle/limp pot, V bets flop 2/3, everyone folds to you? Seems like you'd x-r 55/22, right? OTOH, you can delay until turn, given LL players' love of slowplaying (so they'll expect it from you), and this really is a bone-dry flop. See if V has a 2nd barrel, confirming they v likely have AQ/KQ, or lol QQ.

I don't like bluffing OK SDV, but here, I really think you're beat as is. So bluff or fold. Really helps if you know V can fold.

Sizing, H started with 400. Called 25 and 3, so has ~375 back. Call turn, pot will be ~200 on river, H will have 320 back. River x-jam seems like it would have enough FE(?), but I'd be concerned about nitty OMC x-b river with 'only' top/top. Open jam seems sus on most runouts: did you really float with 76hh, T9hh, or just a bd and maybe an over?? Probably not.

So raise/fold to 150, or whatever looks like you're trying to setup getting stacks in by the river, yet small enough we can fold. (Hard to do at this depth) Or just fold turn.

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