AA doesn't always win.
1/3NL 8 handed. I am the effective stack with 450. I have a tight image.
I open AA's in the LJ to 20 because the CO and button were super loose and calling a lot of raises. The CO calls and the rest fold. The CO is a 30 ish Mexican guy.
(40 in pot) 3c9sTc...I bet 30, the CO min clicks to 60. The only time I have seen him bluff was on the river after given some rope. He likes to chase post flop but I haven't seen him show aggression. I decide to just call.
(160 in pot) 3c9sTd6c...I check and he bets 100, I call.
(360 in pot) 3c9sTd6c2d...I check and he jams all in. I have 270 left.
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The suits changed. Was the flop 2 clubs or rainbow. If the former, the turn would have made a flush possible.
Probably just fold flop, you bet way too big as an exploit to charge one pair and draws and you got raised instead.
Esp. given read he's super likely to call way too wide and only raise when he beats an overpair.
Turn 87 now gets there and he doesn't care. More likely to be overplaying T9 than bombing it with KT. Some chance he has JJ or even QQ, I guess. Some (smaller) chance he has QJ or maybe J8, and your read is off.
River, 4c5c would be chefs kiss.
check flop
as played fold turn
dont pay off loose passives
he might have Tx OTF. i doubt he has it on OTT.
Check flop OOP. Better to bet JJ/QQ to deny equity to overcards and they would have more backdoor barreling opportunities. AA does not need as much protection and this board can have many nut-changing turns. Checking can still allow us to get 2 streets of value against worse while not allowing us to get semibluffed.
Minclicks are annoying and whether I fold or continue is going to be very V dependent.
As played, 78 got there and he’s probably slowing down with Tx and taking a free card with draws. Fold turn.
Agree with fatman on flop strategy. But I cannot find a fold against this guy, given H's read on V and H's table image.
I don't mind the c-bet, but I might go smaller -- $20.
I hate getting min-clicked, but I can't find a fold on the flop. Does he just call 99/TT pre? Will he call T9 (most players will)? Does he min-click draws or top pair? It doesn't sound like it, so if he truly is loose/passive and the min-click is rare, just fold the turn.
I limp the LJ but that's my style.
SPR is 11 and we offered terrific 22+:1 IO preflop, so I definitely don't want to work towards playing for stacks. Board is a little drawy. Against face up ABC players I probably lean to three streets of small bet/folds. Against trickier players I probably lean towards a check with an eye on getting to showdown for a reasonable price. So if betting, I'm mostly just making a nitty fold to the flop raise (especially against someone who rarely gets out-of-line, especially against aggression).
As played, I check/fold the turn. He's taking a massive valuey line and most don't overplay Tx against nitty opponents. Also, one of his few semi-bluffs got there (87).
And I don't get to the river, but I fold again. Keep track of how many players blast off over 3 streets even with busted KQcc here; they are an extremely rare breed.
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1/3NL 8 handed. I am the effective stack with 450. I have a tight image. I open AA's in the LJ to 20 because the CO and button were super loose and calling a lot of raises. The CO calls and the rest fold. The CO is a 30 ish Mexican guy. (40 in pot) 3c9sTc...I bet 30, the CO min clicks to 60. The only time I have seen him bluff was on the river after given some rope. He likes to
Grunch:
Already said this to you in another thread, but in case you missed it - I have a growing suspicion that you're giving off a "scared money" vibe at the table, based on your threads/posts here, and the way you describe opponents and the action.
If I can sense that you're hesitant, just reading your posts, it's more than likely that at least some of your live opponents are picking up on it.
As for the hand...
PRE - I like it. Raise bigger when opponents are calling too much. So far, so good.
FLOP - HU and OOP, I'd mostly just check range.
If I was going to c-bet, my usual size would be 1/3 pot. But here, since I'm not usually c-betting from OOP, if I did bet, I'd go bigger, like full pot, if not a slight over-bet.
On this board texture that is more likely to hit his range than ours, I think a check or over-bet approach works better than c-betting for 1/2-3/4 pot.
I don't usually have a bet-3B range on the flop, but if I'm the PFR and someone min-clicks my small c-bet, I might click it back when I'm OOP, because I don't want to give up the betting lead, and I'd see the min-click as a top raise by an opponent hoping to check back turn and see the river for free.
Since we didn't c-bet small, and actually c-bet kind of large, I might be inclined to just call, and see what happens on the turn. But then again, it's hard to credit V for having a big hand when he min-clicks it, so I'd be very tempted to click it back.
TURN - Based on your read, I might consider folding now. We were already behind 2P+, and the 6 brings in 87. I would be more likely to continue if one of our aces was of the flush draw suit, opening the door for us to rep the nut flush if it comes in on the river.
The thing is, though - when he min-clicks the flop, I'd be giving him a lot of draws. Yeah, he can have 87, but he can also have QJ, J8, and occasionally maybe he does this with AT/KT/QT.
The issue I'm having with a lot of your hand histories is that you're playing these strong starting hands in such a way that you're not leaving yourself much room to maneuver on later streets. If you checked or c-bet smaller on the flop, we'd likely have more definition of V's range, and an easier decision to continue or fold.
If you call the turn, what's your plan for the river? Are we hoping to river a set? Are we calling if he jams on a brick? Are we prepared to turn our hand into a bluff if the river is an over-card to the board, or brings in the BDFD? Do we have any donk-leads, or check-raises?
RIVER - We're not beating anything a normal opponent would play this way for value, so I'd be okay with folding now, albeit, I'd be wishing I'd folded turn rather than get here the way we did.
If we decide to call, that decision would have to be based on our read that he'll bluff when given rope, and the determination that our flat call on the flop and check-call on the turn constitutes enough rope to induce him to start a big, three-street bluff by raising the flop.
I don't see very many opponents doing that, but it does seem like the Latino guys are more prone than most others, especially when they sense fear on the part of their opponents.
It seems to me like you're making your life tougher by taking these schizophrenic lines. I just went back and looked at some of your past threads, and see these patterns of you taking some aggressive action, then being unsure what to do next, but generally defaulting to a more passive/defensive posture, or otherwise going for max value when opponents aren't likely to have much (read: you feel safe over-betting with a nutted hand).
If you're going to play tight, but also a bit scared, then I think you'd benefit from dialing back on some of the aggressive actions, and playing a more tight-passive style, at least until you feel more confident in your ability to range opponents and take the appropriate actions.
Hopefully something in all that is helpful.
1/3NL 8 handed. I am the effective stack with 450. I have a tight image. I open AA's in the LJ to 20 because the CO and button were super loose and calling a lot of raises. The CO calls and the rest fold. The CO is a 30 ish Mexican guy. (40 in pot) 3c9sTc...I bet 30, the CO min clicks to 60. The only time I have seen him bluff was on the river after given some rope. He likes to
Low steaks is always a strong hand. He's basically saying I've got two pair of better and I want more money in there, but I don't want you to fold. The six springs in the most obvious draw.. I mean it's possible he's over playing kings or something but I'd fold.
