4th nut trips
1/3 NLHE 9 handed
Game is playing very loose passive with lots of limping, we're card dead and have been losing. We can't really seem to get anything going.
V - typical loose passive, middle eastern. 180$ CO.
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Two limps in E-MP, V opens to 10, BTN loose passive calls, SB calls, we see J♥ 7♥ in BB and call, both limpers call. 6 ways.
Flop 60 - T♥ 7♦ 7♠
SB x, we x, limpers x x, V c-bets 15, BTN raises to 35 (has about 200 back), SB folds, we call 35 (cover), limpers both fold, V 3-bet minclicks to 70, BTN folds, Hero calls.
Turn 235 - 2♥
We shove for V's remaining 100...
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Once you call the BB, there is really no other way to play it except just shoving the flop. You could have checked the turn to get V to bet, too, in case he folds to your turn shove.
I think calling pre- with this hand is a pretty significant mistake, especially with two limpers left to act.
I don't really like the turn lead, either. Your hand basically needs zero protection in this spot and you don't really care if V has AA and checks back turn because it's so easy to get the money in on the river. When V minclick 3bets the flop, I would prefer to just shove over taking this line. Leading the turn is pretty face-up as a 7+ IMO.
1/3 NLHE 9 handedGame is playing very loose passive with lots of limping, we're card dead and have been losing. We can't really seem to get anything going. V - typical loose passive, middle eastern. 180$ CO.----Two limps in E-MP, V opens to 10, BTN loose passive calls, SB calls, we see J♥ 7♥ in BB and call, both limpers call. 6 ways.Flop 60 - T♥ 7♦ 7♠SB x, we x, limpers x x, V c-bet
When I see multiple limpers then an iso this small I think this is basically a βpot juicerβ type hand, you can just go ahead and lop off the entire top end portion of your opponents range (remove all the JJ+ AK etc). I think you have two good options here preflop and neither of them are clicking call. If I think I have some decent fold equity here I would squeeze this combo to like 50 and expect to take down the dead money quite often. The only hands Iβm calling with in this spot are 22-77 and suited Ax that is too weak to squeeze like A6s A7s type stuff. If you donβt have a sliver of fold equity here with a squeeze just muck this hand pre. Its not going to do well enough 4-5 ways to ever be profitable as a call. Typically raise>fold>call with these type of hands facing this action in that order. Its also not a terrible if opponent calls the squeeze bc we can use postflop edge a lot more profitably HU against weak passive players.
I fold preflop. Massive RIO with this hand and OOP to boot which does not help.
If we're $180 effective against the field (SPR 3), I'd probably just bet/bet/bet for stacks with a plan to go broke if behind. Decent chance we've somehow coolered a worse 7x (as 97/87/76/75 are all easily in play). If we're at a much higher SPR I'd perhaps think about taking things more slowly.
As played (checking the flop), I'm cool with how we played the rest of the hand. The board is pretty dry so there is no reason to massively strongly 4bet here and possibly enable a hero fold, and a donk shove on the turn will look weaker. ETA: Having him check thru the turn and then having a scare card come on the river (backdoor flush, straightening, overcard, Tx) to allow a hero fold some of the time would suck. He simply finds far more folds on bad rivers than he does on the turn, imo.
GcluelesssplashingaroundnoobG
I fold preflop. Massive RIO with this hand and OOP to boot which does not help.
If we're $180 effective against the field (SPR 3), I'd probably just bet/bet/bet for stacks with a plan to go broke if behind.
Rather ironic to talk about RIO in one sentence and then recommending donk-blasting for three streets with trips mediocre kicker when it's 6-way?
Preflop is pretty marginal even getting nearly 6/1, although if neither limper is likely to come over the top then it can't be utterly terrible at those odds
Rather ironic to talk about RIO in one sentence and then recommending donk-blasting for three streets with trips mediocre kicker when it's 6-way?
The SPR is 3 (at least, that's what I'm assuming given the information we've been given). Are we somehow planning on not getting in stacks? Also, this is one of the few lucky flops where we don't have as much RIO (such as say a JJ4 flop, where we could take a much more slower line and then somehow figure out how to not play for stacks by making a hero fold later on).
GcluelessRIOnoobG
fwiw these limpers are never re-raising
Result:
Spoiler
V snaps, we get shown T7o and river is an inconsequential flush 5♥
Preflop is a slight mistake. The discount you are getting is not enough to call with this hand. I kind of like 3-beting pre, as no one has shown much strength and this hand can make some draws to semibluff with representing QQ+ or AK.
PRE - calling with J7s is w/e. Probably losing long term, but maybe ok once in a while. I wouldn't hate 3B'ing it over a small raise behind two limps. Folding when our image sucks is also fine.
FLOP - think it would be better to just donk out, to hopefully get called by the two limpers before action gets to the PFR.
Somewhat concerning that the BTN is raising over the PFR c-bet. Definitely concerning that the PFR is 3B'ing over our cold flat.
What sort of range are your giving V here? I'd be worried about TT, T7, and better 7x. Not like most low stakes loose passive recs are going to be bet-3B'ing with an OESD, or just TP or an over-pair on this paired board.
TURN - I don't get donk jamming on a brick. If we wanted to jam, we could have just jammed the flop. Seems like we're making it easy for V to play perfectly. He should mostly fold every hand we beat, and only call with hands that beat us, unless he's one of those who simply can't let go of an over-pair.
Yeah this is why I donβt mind just mashing 3b with like anything halfway decent. I see these small iso raises all the time in the games I play, I literally just imagine my opponent yelling βplease attack this because I never have a good hand here.β