Having this HH vs V would've help

Without reading the spoiler - Seems like our hand has a little too much going on and the price we're getting to call is too good to fold. I probably peel one off.

In theory, V is supposed to have some check-raises on the flop that give up on the turn, so I tend to be a bit sticky facing flop check-raises. But, then again, he's in the BB, and raised pre, when he could have just checked his option, and he checked this super-connected, two-Broadway flop, which tends to be under-bluffed. I could see folding here.

Now off to read the spoiler...

Not sure what to take from that, given the pre-flop action was different. He raised over limps in your first hand, called a raise with AK in the second. Did he have the FD on the flop?

Is the takeaway supposed to be that this one hand shows V will blast off on the flop with air? Hard to rely on that read just based on one showdown, and no other history or table dynamics. Maybe he was tilted for the second hand, or read somewhere that he should barrel off with two overs and a flush draw when a Broadway cards comes at the end.

Had we seen the second hand before the first, I'm not sure it would change very much, given how different the board textures are, and the different pre-flop action.

So I have a main question here why don't we believe him when he raises here pre. When later in your post you say that you haven't played a hand with him. Is there some other information to go on?

passing that top pair on this super wet connected board with a semi weak kicker isn't saying much I think you should easily fold after the check raise. Once again given we have no information on him with 3 diamonds out there seems like a pretty nutty hand looking for value at this point.

I am not going to read a spoiler and ruin any information you gave me without it.

Appreciate your views, guys.

Maybe my read is off but it felt like he was taking advantage of a weak table and just making many pfs to take down the blinds/limps, so even though I only got into that one hand with him, that was my mindset despite a hand as KTs. That being said, the c/r took me by surprise and I was wondering if I want to possibly go to war with my holding.

In the HH, there wasn't a FD for him I don't think.

It felt like he was taking advantage of a weak table and just making many pfs to take down the blinds/limps. I'm just confused what hands could be c/r'ing here. There was only a FD otf (2 of same suit but not mine).

V could be check raising with a straight, any set, any 2P combo, AA, and TPTK for value. He might have AJ, JJ, Jx, TT, Tx or a flush draw for bluffs. Conceivably he might be over-playing worse value, like AQ.

It's certainly possible V is just a loose cannon raising a lot with toral air, to bully a weak table, and it's possible he's just terrible, but A) this seems like an under-bluffed spot, and B) we may not have enough info on him to decide he's just a borderline maniac or some sort of spew-fish.

Sizing's different for the spoiled HH raise vs this one too. (3x vs min-click) Ofc, it could just be that V doesn't know what he's doing.

Why are we limping KTs from MP, vs just opening it? Or folding is fine too, with 100 bigs.

H has 3 clean outs to their draw and not a lot of room left to decide. 30 to call a pot of 87, and H has 173 back. I think this V is going to put us to the test on the turn and they have a pretty value-heavy range on KQ9. I fold to the x-r and look for a better spot.

Oh, just thought of this. We can easily be nutted here---V shouldn't be---and piling over the x-raise might be an option, if we know this V has a fold button. We don't, so still folding, but I did want to point out the option.

Yup, I think it was all-of-the-above. He and his buddy had like $350 and $450 thereabouts and they each left with around $150 and $225, respectively, making a bunch of questionable plays. Of course, this was all in hindsight after our hand.

I should've taken better notes on the bet sizing, it was closer/similar for the 2 hands.

Re limping KTs, many factors, including there is a BBJ+usually weak tables and I just got there so wanted to feel everyone out. Don't think I'm ever open folding this unless I anticipate someone pf'ing.

I agree with your thinking and that's what was going through my mind: do we really wanna go to war with this? Maybe I'm nitty to consider throwing this away but later streets would probably require us to gii vs this V, and unless we hit the gutter, we aren't too thrilled.

How have you seen him raise with frequency if you just sat down? Have you seen any hands yet? Any flop/turn play? Or, is everyone just folding? If he truly is raising that often in such a short time, I'm never folding flop. Heck, I might 3bet him pre if I think the other limper is weak.

FWIW, at a weak table, I'd rather raise KTs from MP than limp.

Off to read the spoiler.

Hmmm. Interesting. He flats w/ that hand pre? Personally, I don't think it really tells us much. I still need to know how often he's raising pre in such a short time and if he's been aggressive on other hands -- and any other hands he's shown.

There was an infamous post here, over a decade ago, from I want to say "Limon", talking about early mistakes (pf/flop) leading to huge consequences, in HH strat threads here, and he used the metaphor of a kid in jail calling his dad to help him out. How those conversations usually went like, "Dad, don't ask why I was out at 2 AM, with those people. Don't ask why I had a dozen beers, then drove. Just help me somehow so I don't get butt-#>$(÷& in jail tonight!" (I did say it was infamous.)

Drives home the point that if we can avoid the early mistakes, like limping a pretty, but non-nut making hand, or calling a 3! with it (which is why I suspect you didn't want to open it, but wouldn't want to fold it either). Or calling a x-raise when we've only top pair, meh kicker, and a gutter: if we can avoid those small mistakes, we often stay out of jail and our stack doesn't get violated... Anyway, it stuck with me.

This V seems aggro. I'd need to also see that they think a little about their opponent's hand before ripping it into them, or even just deciding that top pair is probably enough value to call all the way down. Probably door #2, after having read what you've written further about him. I'd want to be deeper, too.

Yes, pretty much in the short span before I got into this hand against V, he was pf'ing in LP and most of the time he took it down pre or with a cbet. I didn't see any showdowns until that provided HH in the spoiler.

I hope that I kinda explained my reasoning for limping KTs here, I feel comfortable calling a pf but not a 3bet.

It gave me a hint that he's aggro with air but ofc that is just one hand, but that's all we have to go with atm. V's pf is quite high so I was thinking he can't have it all the time.

Is that quote telling me I should just fold KTs pre? 😀 As played, yeah, V is pretty much wanting me to play for my stack if we go further. I'm not aggro like some here suggesting reraising and basically gii otf. I am thinking strongly about folding and maybe just calling here.

I doubt it. The mistake was limping with KTs, which is a super easy raise here.

Oh, maybe you're right. I wonder if V would just call or 3bet there if I pf'd (the latter of which I wanna avoid). V seemed sticky and wants to defend his blinds.