99 at 5-5

If they see me as tight, I c-bet this flop.

Not sure I like $60 pre if I know I'm going to get five callers. Not sure what I'd do otherwise, though.

Never ever ever betting this flop 6 way.

You have to be fine with giving up a ton in these spots and regaining your EV when flopping sets or hitting straights mainly.

Never ever ever betting this flop 6 way.

You have to be fine with giving up a ton in these spots and regaining your EV when flopping sets or hitting straights mainly.

Posting this same opinion multiple times (and even across multiple threads) doesn't make it any more correct. IMO, raising TT/99 in order to try to hit sets/straights is a much bigger leak than making a 20% psb multiway as the PF raiser.

Raising 99 and happening to see in this particular hand that we end up OOP 6-handed does not imply that we raised “in order to try to hit sets”.

The reason for cbetting in this case is mostly a protection bet. This should not be the high priority. What do you think the likelihood of the field being absent Tx (or better)? In the event we indeed have the best hand OTF what do you think of our equity realization OOP after betting 20% flop is?

I would add that denying equity to 3 or 4 players means nothing if one player still calls with a hand that has me drawing to 2 outs. I would much rather c-bet this board with a hand like KQs with BDFD.

Why did you raise 99 from UTG+1 if you knew you were going to get five callers? We hate almost every flop w/o a 9. I guess maybe 237 would be nice.

I wouldn’t say I KNEW I would get 5 callers. It happens in games like these (most low stakes NL sees multi-way flops) so it wasn’t shocking. It is a bit less common with the straddle forcing a large open. But certainly SOME hands end up HU or 3-way.

Are you implying that in these table dynamics you would limp or fold 99 in EP?

If I was pretty certain I'd get three to five callers vs. loose aggro players, especially, I might limp/evaluate. I mean, this is one of the better flops you can hope for and you didn't c-bet, so I don't see the point of raising. I think folding would be better than ending up here, which is usually what's going to happen.

It’s okay to give up when we flop second pair 6 ways. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t raise 99.

OK, but we are almost always going to flop second pair or something unfavorable to 99. Just seems like lighting money on fire knowing we are going to get multiple callers and be OOP vs. LAGs and then just giving up on this flop.

If I raise here, I c-bet, but I have a tight image. No idea how the table sees OP.

Raise smaller pre. 45 is still a big bet to anyone except the straddle. Even the straddle needs to call 5 more bb if they want to defend. Even more true if multiple people are probably going to call the raise pre

Flop: with a field caller I’m probably just folding to this sizing. I think a raise is even better than a call if anything but again I mostly fold

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I think I could get behind small flop bet (85?), but folding as played.

Check fold.

Played absolutely fine

If the game is splashy and deep, I think the adjustment should be to open a tighter range, but for larger size that doesn't get as many callers. Otherwise I think the hand was played fine.

Whether or not to c-bet the flop would really come down to how sticky we think our opponents are post flop, how wide they like to float, and how willing we are to turn our unimproved pair into a bluff by barreling off, assuming a c-bet gets this heads up, which seems iffy at best. Being deep to start, I think I'd prefer to save my ammo and just let this one go, rather than possibly torch a big chunk of my stack.

I like the way hero played it. These are spots where I just tell myself that I have my entire range when I check (including hands like AA, KK, TT, and ATs) and can print money with thick value in the future.

People who are advocating to cbet this board... are you cbetting your entire range here? I get that this is a good flop for our hand, but this is a pretty awful board for us in general.

I might wanna open 2.5x instead of 3x when there's a 4x straddle. With so many callers I just check/fold the flop without any remorse. If everyone checks and the turn is safe, I probably bet the turn if it's checked to me again. By now everyone's had the chance to bet a T, so I'm gonna assume no one has it. But on the flop I just fold, to probably any bet above 1/3 pot, and in this case maybe even 1/4 pot, because the pot is so bloated already.

You can never know for sure how many callers you're gonna get, but even if you suspect it might be half the table or more, there's still nothing wrong with raising 99 in my opinion. We can still flop an overpair and be in a good spot to win a decent sized pot, and when we flop a set, we're ina great spot to win a very big pot. So I don't see any reason to start limping a hand as strong as nines.

Raising with 99 gets a good result when you get 5 callers ( 1 or 2 callers is good too). 6-way, you make a lot on average with a set. It should play well at a splashy table and sometimes you can stack someone with set over set. Sometimes you flop an overpair and can continue. Sometimes, you can continue on a flop like this if the action is weaker.

I don't mind open limping in general, but here you let everyone see a flop cheaply when they don't have much. Only reason to limp/call 99 would be if you were worried it would get 4! or something.

You could limp/call like 44, hoping for a 6-way pot. However, then at this stakes players might be astute enough to figure out when you put in a lot postflop you likely had a set. If you raise 44, you might get it 6-handed anyway and when it goes 2 or 3 handed, you might be able to represent AK or something as the ep raiser on some flops.

Here I would be fine with folding to the psb and call and glad I hadn't cbet. Maybe 99 was ahead, but you can't continue to that action.

Thanks all.

Results:

H (2200) opens UTG+1 60 w 99
5 callers lol which is typical in this game

Flop (365) T52r
Checked to me. OOP multi-way I am checking most of my range or betting small. I opted to check here. Checks to LAG button (1800) who bets 325. He will stab often in position with draws and marginal hands on dry boards when nobody has bet. Even LAGier straddle (covers) calls. I fold.

Turn (1015) T525

Straddle donks 400. Button shoves. Straddle tank calls with QT. River is a 3 and Button sheepishly tables 33 lol.

Sounds like a fantastic game

Pretty standard check fold on the flop. Cbetting would be a mistake imo. We can have some strong check calls and check raises on this flop. Overpairs, esp AA. JJ would be nore of a hand that wants to fold out overcards. 99 is just not strong enough to bet this multiway.

Always checking this flop.
And folding to the bet-call.

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What a game!