AA - How to maximize value against a fish without scaring them off?
5/5
~$1100 effective
MP β Very passive older gentleman. Not a true OMC who only plays the nuts, but definitely on the tighter side.
SB β Loose recreational player. Limps a lot, calls frequently, leads often. Won a big pot recently.
UTG opens to $10 ($20 is the standard raise at the table), SB calls, Hero (BB) A♠A♣ 3-bets to $100, UTG calls, SB calls.
Flop($300) 7♥ 6♦ 2♦
SB leads for $50, Hero raises to $300, MP folds, SB calls
Turn($900) K♣
Hero shoves for $700
I donβt like how I played this hand. Feels like I messed something up, but I canβt quite figure out what. Would you have played it the same way?
Itβs just that when I put 7 white chips ($100 each) on the table, it looks really intimidating, and heβs folding almost everything on the turn.
4 Replies
You described SB as "calls frequently", so I don't see anything wrong with how you played. Is he calling you with AK, KQ, KJ? I think so, at least a reasonable portion of the time. Is he calling you with Ax diamonds? I think a lot of people will. If he is folding AK, KQ to you in this spot, then in future hands you can ramp up the aggression on him and steal like crazy. If he has a hand with a lot of equity like Ad7d, or some other funny diamond draw that should have folded pre, you already got overpaid. You don't want him fishing for free.
I think the main portion of his range you might be missing value on with this bet is 88-QQ. If you are aggressive enough, a really good player with QQ or JJ might look you up, most recs won't. Against a pro, an idea might be to bet small and try to induce a x/r from some FDs. That won't work against a passive, stationy rec. If you bet smaller, like $300-$400, the rec still might throw away QQ, will flat their FDs and they aren't calling you on the river unless they improve.
The main non-made hands you're against are diamond draws. If he has a naked FD, he has 20% equity. If you make it $300, you are giving him pot odds where he SHOULD call. The problem is that if he hits, and goes all in with you having $400 behind, are you going to fold? Yeah, the flush is obvious, but now you are getting 5 to 1. You have to be absolutely certain he is incapable of bluffing or jamming with worse. It's a gross spot and you probably call which makes his decent pot odds on the turn convert into fantastic realized odds when he hits. Poker will give you enough gross spots that are unavoidable, avoid the ones that are easy to avoid.
Betting $700 into $900, he requires 30% equity to properly make the call. With Ad7d, he has 25% equity, with other FDs he has 20%. You're giving him a price he shouldn't call. Which is what you should do because that provides him the option of making a mistake, which a ton of recs will call off here with an Ax FD. If you bet smaller, you are allowing him to play perfectly because he will jam all his nuts if he somehow has a set, he will call his draws with a good price and great implied odds, and he will fold all his air. Even the most wet behind the ears rec will figure out the proper play in that position.
Don't put your opponent in a position where it is easy for them to play perfectly. You want to put your opponent in a position where they have poor odds but might be tempted to accept them. Betting anything less than all-in here is a clear mistake in my book.
You could bet 300 on the turn and 400 on the river, but not sure that is good on a somewhat wet board. You let draws draw cheap and if you had a strong draw, you would likely shove the turn as a semibluff.
I think it's fine, although $100 pre seems big -- it worked though. LOL at call $10 / call $100. Great table.
Grunch:
We can't always get stacks in when we have the best hand. Sometimes we have to settle for less. That's part of the game.
Also, is the OMC in MP also the UTG? I'm a little confused about who's in this hand with us. It looks like it's just three peeps, but you've got four positions mentioned.
PRE - What the serious f**k is happening here? SB is flatting the $10, then over-calling your $100 3B??? Did the OMC open-call, or double-flat here???
Get their numbers, and make them promise to text you whenever they're going to play.
I don't even know what to say about pre, so...
FLOP - I have no idea what SB is doing donking for 1/6 pot on this most dynamic of board textures. With UTG behind us, I might just flat here, praying he raises, the SB calls, and we can put in an obnoxiously large back raise.
I don't hate your raise, though. What do you think SB has when he calls? I'm getting concerned he flopped 2P+, or that he'll fold TP and worse.
TURN - I mean...I don't know what's going on, but we got here how we got here, and we're not folding, so I guess jamming is okay, on this crazy-wet board, after the way SB has played this, and how we played it.
My line in this hand probably would have been...
PRE - 3B to $75-$90, depending on what I think UTG may be up to, and how splashy the OMC and SB are. I want to build a pot, and would rather not go to the flop four ways, but also would love it if the UTG or anyone else decides to get cute and 4B us, because we're aggro and could be 3B'ing wide when UTG min-opens, which might be KK or AK trying to trap.
FLOP - SB's $50 donk into $300 smells fishy AF, but since he also seems fishy AF, I don't know what to make of it. I might flat, or I might min-click it, because we're just looking for some info on WTF is happening in this hand, and how our opponents react to our min-raise is going to tell us more than our min-raise tells them.
TURN - I wouldn't have gotten here the way you did. The pot wouldn't be as big, so I wouldn't jam. I'm probably over-betting though, to set up a river jam.
Does any of that help? Did the SB fold to your jam? I wouldn't sweat it, if so. Seems like you got more than max value here.