Awkward hand with QQ

Flat pre is missing out on too much value versus V3 and equity denial versus the field IMO. I think a 4bet to like $110-120 is appealing in this situation. Could get V1 to continue to dwindle his stack off or even shove & reopen, V3 may call another $80 as well with many hands we crush.

As played, flop call looks good. On turn, I imagine shoving is probably doing a little better for us than calling & calling non A/K rivers. Just seems we're getting stacked versus AA/KK no matter what here, so we should take whatever line we can to maximize when we are ahead.

Given the stack sizes, I don't think raising less than a shove makes much sense. However, I'm kind of hesitant with QQ to 4-bet without having reliable reads on the BTN, although the BTN doesn't seem like the kind of player who's going to go against population reads by lightly 3-betting an UTG raise from someone with a "winning image."

OTOH, with dead money in the pot and stacks not being deep, I can see just shoving QQ and hoping that Banana was right about the BTN having too wide of a 3-bet range.

Vs this guy on the button, I 4bet. I guess make it $120, so V1 can shove and it reopens it, right?

As played, I think you have to call turn.

Why would you want to see a flop 4way?

4bet is a must, sizing meh maybe 125? With like 100 dead money, maybe even ship. Tbh I don't hate shoving, we're shoving with ak right?. We need some QQ+ in our shoving range.

As played, turn either x/c or x/ship are ok.

So I think I played this badly, I got into the 'oh **** I'm behind here' thinking and shoved turn.

Result:

Obviously I open limp.

Why did we just flat the 3bet? Dude 3bets as wide as 5 high plus we have the dead calling station money in there, plus we have what I'm assuming is an awesome Banana image; seems like a trivial 4bet. Or is like V2's range to call a $10 open AA/KK?

The SPR is less than 3, so I'd feel committed here (especially since V2 obviously doesn't have AA/KK at this point). QQ is a little vulnerable to overs and there is a draw, so I'd mostly donk (as V3 is going to check this back a lot 4ways). As played, I'd check/raise to setup a turn shove.

As played, I'd now shove over his turn bet. He can still easily have worse overpairs / draws.

There are players to be MUBSy against; this most definitely doesn't seem to be one of them, especially versus our image / small open?

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If you're UTG1, that's not MP, that's EP.

PRE - V3's BTN 3B to 4x over your 3x open and V2's call is BS. And even if it isn't, we should still 4B here, from OOP, not flat call and let V1 and V2 come along. With these stupid stack sizes, I think I'm just jamming, and letting the poker gods sort it out.

I'm not going to 4B to the "correct" GTO size of 2.35x the $40, having V2 think he's priced in, V3 flats, and then V1 decides to jam for $200, and even if we can re-jam, no one's folding at that point, and we're just going to a four-way all-in flop. Screw that.

FLOP - As played pre, this is about as good a flop as we could possibly hope for. When action checks to V3, and he c-bets 1/3 pot, I think I'd check-raise, because I don't buy that either V1 or V2 has a real hand here, but neither of them donks, and V1 doesn't x/r.

I don't think I'd check-jam, but I'm not letting V3 dictate the pot size going to the turn, on this connected and dynamic flop. I probably make it $200, with a plan to jam all turns if he flat calls, and snap call if he 3B-jams.

TURN - As played to this point, when the turn adds another flush draw, I think I might donk jam, because most low-stakes recs won't know what to make of it, and they're going to be checking back on this turn card with so much of their range.

As played, when hero checks and V barrels for less than 1/2 pot, leaving less than a PSB behind, I don't see how we can do anything but get it in and pray he calls.

Generally, low stakes players don't have much of a 3B-fold range pre. If V3 is a trying rec who over-thinks concepts like blockers, he's not 3B-folding AKo for