I turn top pair.
1/3 nl 8 handed.
A very agro CO opens to 15. He would sometimes fold to a 3 bet and sometimes call. The button calls. He is super loose and pretty much playing every hand but can fold to a raise. I raise to 65 in the SB with KsQh. I should have gone to at least 75 I think. The BB calls. I have no read other than he is a middle aged Eastern Indian guy. He didn't seem particularly loose or tight. The CO and Button both fold.
The BB is the effective with 160. A good player would cold 4 bet or fold from the BB so we have a little more info. What range would you put him on. At the time I thought something like 88's+ AQo+ KQs+. Maybe he calls here with suited broadways. I figured it was something solid but not premium. Maybe AK.
(160 in pot) Tc5h4s....I check, he checks. Should I throw out a C bet here?
(160 in pot) Tc5h4sQd...How should I proceed?
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So there is 95 back and the pot is 160? Just put the chips in.
Yeah, just jam.
Pre: If $65 works to get you HU, its enough. In many games you need to size up from this position, but if CO/BTN are going to fold a decent chunk of their range to a smaller size, by all means bet smaller. When they call, you don't really want to be in an overly inflated pot with this hand against the stronger portion of their range. BTN should be calling with 100% of his range here. So while I would consider sizing up in different games in this position, against these two specifically I'd keep the size smaller. If your opponents are going to make mistakes, let them.
Flop: No reason to cbet. I'd check AA here. Maybe you want to c-bet JJ/AT for protection/value from an over coming out, but I'd probably check range on this flop. X/r if V stabs with value, he'll be pot committed with hands like AK/AQ. Ck fold with air.
Turn: We don't need protection and there aren't all that many draws that are going to fold on a brick river. Maybe he has KJ, but almost anything else that can call the turn will also call river. There is no reason to rush, so I wouldn't jam.
I'd throw out like $60, make it look like we are just trying to stab the pot after his weakness. If he flats we can shove the river and almost everything has to call. All his Qx is going to pay two bets, a lot of his Tx will make a crying call with $100 into $280 on the river.
I think jamming folds many of his weaker hands that would grudgingly pay off over two streets. While some of his super weak hands like A4, 66-99 etc. might pay off one small bet but is never playing for stacks. If he has something like AK or AJ he might jam for us whereas most players might muck those to our jam. Going two streets, you lose value to KJ, J9 type hands, but only sometimes as occasionally those might jam thinking they have fold equity and some players will fold OESD to a pot-sized bet OTT.
Bottom line: I think betting pot for all-in is too strong when you are trying to get paid by a weak range. We have no indication that V has anything strong. You could have been going for a x/r on the flop, so from his perspective you could be absolutely nutted all along. I don't think even QJ is an auto call to this line for V. If I was V and called, I'd expect to see AA, KK, AQ, QQ fairly frequently. There aren't obvious bluffs that most players would make. I wouldn't expect to see KJ just jam like this, and that's the best draw on the board. Maybe V is spewy and will over call, but without that read I think shoving is overplaying your hand.
Pre: If $65 works to get you HU, its enough. In many games you need to size up from this position, but if CO/BTN are going to fold a decent chunk of their range to a smaller size, by all means bet smaller. When they call, you don't really want to be in an overly inflated pot with this hand against the stronger portion of their range. BTN should be calling with 100% of his range
Good points
Easy jam on the turn. I might go a little bigger pre from OOP.
Preflop 3bet sizing would depend on CO/Button stacks for me. At like $300 I think $65 ain't bad (although increasing it a bit to just take it down that much more preflop OOP is fine).
FWIW, if BB is a solid player (who happens to be sitting on $160... hey, I sit on $200, so maybe?), he should probably be flatting AA/KK here and then shoving anything else he thinks he should be continuing with (which might be nothing if we're seen as tight). So I'm going to go with my gut and assume he ain't a solid player.
So he's got <= PSB left? I would just jam the flop as he'll mostly fold all Ax hands (which is a major coup for us). Otherwise we give ourselves like 2:1 against smaller pocket pairs plus FE which ain't half bad.
As played, we now have TP in an SPR <= 1 pot on the turn. We're committed. So I shove. AK could consider a call with it's overs and gutshot; our hands looks a little like AK with our flop check so even a pair might call at this point..
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