Two Low-Stress Spots - Thoughts Appreciated

H1:

There are sometimes reasons to flat here (expecting a 3bet behind us, maybe being in LP and hoping to invite a fish in the blinds along, etc.). But otherwise I'd mostly 3bet.

SPR is 6 and thanks to our preflop flat we're multiway where anyone can have anything (which isn't even a mistake on their part thanks to us giving them awesome IO of 30+:1). We should be trying our best to not play for stacks, imo. So with that in mind, I just call the flop and evaluate. If we hadda 3bet preflop to create a smaller SPR / cut way down on IO, then we could have raised the flop to commit stacks.

Now that the most obvious draw came in I think this is an easy turn check back. If he checks again on a blank river we could do a small bet/fold. If he donks the river we might have to lean to a fold (unless we're getting really good odds / think it is a blocking bet with KQ/etc.).

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GG wrote what I'd do for H1.

Here on H2, 1/3 of most stacks as described is 33 to 88. Any 4! raise you make commits them should they call. Shoving looks a little bluffy though, IMHO. Something like 100-150 should get the point across, and maybe look stronger than your actual hand. We're still calling a shove from anyone else.

I'd have opened for more than 15 too. 20, maybe 25.

H1: This feels like a either a check behind on the turn to call a reasonable river bet (especially if the river isn't a club), or a jam with our hidden TP/TK against a worse K who's other card might be a club, assuming randos in this game are calling x7 raises from the BB multiway with hands like KQo/KJo/KTo.

Checking behind on the turn sets you up to potentially face a large river bet, especially after raising the flop, and especially if Villain thinks that you're scared money.

OTOH, shoving costs you more when he has you crushed while giving him the off-ramp to fold if he has a K but no club, although it probablyt gets him to call with TcKx, JcKx, QcKx.

I think I'm leaning towards shove.

H2: I probably am not raising 88 here in the BB after multiple limpers. AP, making a standard reraise to $150 should be plenty to get folds from everyone else.

Hand 1 3b pre and the hand is super easy to play. Check back as played.

Hand 2 just jam.

Results

H #1 -

H x back turn
River brings another low club, hand goes x,x and H wins against KQhh

H#2
H raises to 125, all others fold, H loses to T9ss lol

H1 -

FLOP - If you're not going to raise with AKo pre, you're turning it into a bluff-catcher. Why are you raising the flop? Because 2 clubs on board?

Do you think either the BB donked into multiple opponents or the PFR called with a flush draw, just to fold to a 4x raise?

If we want to raise here, I'd go bigger, like $150, minimum.

TURN - Just check back. If V bets much more than 60% pot on the river, just fold. Anything less, call. If he checks, bet 40% pot and pray he doesn't raise, just calls.

H2 -

I'd think any 4B looks insanely strong here at 1/2, and the limp-callers should be over-folding, almost regardless of what size we take with our 4B. But if we want to be sure, just jam all in.

I can't imagine what hand someone could have that wants to limp in for $2, and flat call a $15 raise from the BB, and then call off the rest of their stacks for another $85-$195. Hard to imagine the hands that want to call off the $55 if they're only starting with $100 to $250.

As I was starting to respond to H2, I wondered if we even want to 4B at all with 88, or if we want to just call, so we can set-mine multi-way.

Like, if we flat, and whiff, and someone else bets, we can just fold. If we spike an 8 on a draw-heavy board or a board with over-cards, we can possibly get some value against a dummy.