Bottom boat deep with idiot
1/3 NLHE 8 handed
Table switched and game has been good to decent. Some loose passives, one drooler, one nit that sizes 10x the pot once every full moon...game has become deep. Sunday night.
V1 - SB. Idiot. Keeps talking every hand and playing terrible post. VPIP about 50%. I opened AJo in late position, he called from SB, went heads up to T-6-3 rainbow, he donks for 1/4 pot, I raise to 1.2x pot, he folds. He's run up a bit. He's been clicking some buttons but being very straightforward pre. Every time he's opened he's had a nutted hand like AQs or AKo. He's limp calling a lot though. He's cold calling 3-bets, so he's kind of a fishy loose passive. 1100$.
V2 - BB. Nitty. Haven't played with him in a long time but don't remember how he plays, this session he's been very quiet and nitty. He's never 3-bet. Hasn't won a pot yet and is down. 400$.
V3 - UTG. OMCish Asian woman. Folds 90% of hands and raises once every million years for dumb sizing like 40 over 3$ pre no limpers. Everyone just folds to her. When she gets into a pot her betting range is mega-premium. 450$.
H in UTG+1 covers with 2.3k.
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V3 limps, H sees T♥ T♦ and opens 15, folds to V1 who calls, V2 3-bets to 35, V3 calls, H just calls, V1 calls. 4-ways IP.
Flop 140 - K♠ J♠ J♣
Checks through
Turn 140 - T♠
Check x 3, I bet 50, V1 x/r to 110, V2 sits for a good few minutes looking pained and then folds, V3 insta-folds, we just call. HU IP.
River 360 - 3♠
V1 bets 225 leaving 450 back.
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Is V bad enough to do this with some AXss? The x-r on turn couldn't be more of a "Pleeeeease call!" sizing, but most Vs are loath to bet their new flush this way on a paired flop.
My guess, because this is a thread, is they flopped a boat, and are springing their x-raise on anyone who flushed on this turn. Baluga tho, so AP, I can't fold river, needing to be right only 1/4 of the time or so, and telling myself the whole time that this V might be dumb enough to do this with AsJx or the like.
Kind of surprised you didn't fold pre or that UTG nit didn't rip over BB. Hard to fold Tens, I agree.
Banana: what's the decision here? Obv you cannot fold getting over 5-2. So I assume you want to know if folks here would raise?
So V1 flats preflop two raises in a row. You would think he would raise his KK rather than let this go multi-way and face the possibility of someone flopping an Ace. We block JT.
I think he is flush-heavy. I would jam but he can certainly cooler us with the royal, case JT/JJ or KJ.
Way too much to get value from to not jam here against V as described.
Easy shove in my opinion
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I obviously limp in but this deep certainly more argument for juicer raise. Also sigh calling the 3bet; we're getting 22+:1 IO, will often stack the 3better on T high flops, plus there's the deep idiot still in the hand.
Also checking the flop. Actually kinda hoping we don't hit the turn cuz this looks tarpy as hell from the 3better.
Also betting the turn when checked to. Your read on Villain seems to be a bit more regarding pre than post. The only post read is that he stabbed small and gave up. But howsabout when he shows some real strength on a scary board?
I'm guessing your river question is whether to jam versus call? Really depends where he falls on the postflop idiot scale, imo.
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Way too much to get value from to not jam here against V as described.
Easy shove in my opinion
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I thought this at first too, but what calls us that we beat? Even considering Banana's likely image. Aren't every non-royal flush, lolstraight, or ROFL QJ snap-folding to a raise? Heck, H has a boat, and I'm sigh-calling this 60% bet.
PRE - think I'd prefer to 4B when V2 basically min-clicks his 3B.
FLOP - yeah, just check it back.
TURN & RIVER - I like the 1/3 pot bet. No idea what to make of the min-click, but it's concerning.
V would have to be very idiotic indeed to be playing a flush or trip J's this way. I would think he'd start a bet on the turn with a boat or better, not slow play, but if he is an idiot, maybe he does go for the min-click check-raise.
I don't see the point in raising bottom boat. I'm expecting V to have KJ/JT or absurdly better often enough. If he has a flush and people think we're stupid for not raising, so be it.
I could almost see folding here, and would likely fold to most opponents at 1/3. If he is nutted, he's letting us off the hook easy. If he started betting sooner or bigger, we'd have lost more.
Only as an observation, your read that SB is an idiot makes me expect that you leveled yourself into calling, or even raising, and V snapped you off with better. The fact that he's starting $1100 eff at 1/3 makes me wonder if maybe your read is off, he's actually not that bad, and the "idiot" read is just justification for making an ill advised play.
