Unusual hand and facing OB

It would help to know how many players called the SB raise and are seeing the flop?

Also need to know how deep the SB player is. Does he cover you?

Probably going to want to call either way, given you have TPGK and the second nut flush draw. Very strange hand though.

Nice hand, sigh fold, next hand.

Seriously, unless SB is a serious gambler who loves to over-bet bluff (or maybe if you guys are insanely deep), it's just not worth it.

$56 in the pot, so seven players?

Yeah 7 players

SB covers. Yeah it was a consideration. But having a lot of players left to act is also a concern

Yeah I agree. I think fold is best. We maybe only have flush draw. Possibly someone else with NFD

easy fold

Grunch:

PRE - Did you consider 4B'ing, to keep this from going 7 ways? When the BB tries to make it 15 and the SB puts in that dinky min-click to 8, I'd be 4B'ing to 40. I don't see the point in flatting, when we know no one behind us is folding for another $4. We opened UTG, so our 4B should be very credible.

FLOP - We have two overs and the 2nd NFD, and the two guys who wanted to make the pot bigger pre-flop both check to us? I think I'd bet something small here, like $15.

TURN - Ehhh...SB's line makes no sense. What is he repping, exactly? AA? KK? AK? A4ss? A flopped set?

I think I might just want to get stacks in here, with TP2K and the 2nd NFD, when SB is engaging in shenanigans. The only hand that has us in really terrible shape is A4ss, and I don't buy that he's taking this line with that hand.

Name one stronger hand the hero has here, as played. I don't think you can name one....

So you want to fold here 100pc of the time? Sb can have kq maybe kjs, NFD and SFD which has up to 13 outs, and regular flush draws which have 7.

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I agree. Whether they call or fold, it's good for you.

Results?

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It was an option to 4B, However I was worried about the BB since he did want to 3B.

Again betting could be an option however I had 4 other players still to act so thought trying to see a turn card for free would be good option.

I was concerned that my K / hitting two pair was not good. Maybe only have FD

I folded and SB showed Ac4c

So...it sucks he flopped the joint with A4. Always difficult to avoid being results oriented when we know the outcome, but I'll do my best...

Set aside the fact that the BB wanted to 3B, and look at the SB's action pre. If he had a "real" hand that was strong enough to raise, he would have raised to more than 8, when there are already multiple players interested in seeing the flop. So we can discount his hand being all that strong.

Yes, we know the BB wanted to 3B, but look at the situation when action gets back to us. We opened UTG, got multiple callers, saw that the BB wanted to 3B us, and saw the SB min-click it. If we were to 4B here, none of our opponents would have any reason to think we didn't have a VERY strong hand, especially if we took a very large sizing.

Say we 4B to $40, and action folds back around to the SB. He's probably folding whatever hand he has that wasn't strong enough to put in a "real" raise. Now it's on the BB. Look at this from his perspective, and think about what his 5B range might be, when we look so strong.

It's just going to be AA/KK, and MAYBE some AK, or occasionally QQ, and maybe not even KK, if he's worried we have AA. We block KK and QQ, which helps, but regardless, our KQ is way behind his 5B range, so it's just an easy fold if he 5B's, but that won't happen often enough to be worried about it.

Alternatively, if we're scared to 4B, because he might 5B, then we're just going to the flop 17 ways, in the worst relative position to the BB, who we're scared has us beat. If he checks to us, and we can't bet, because he might be planning to come over the top, how is the situation any better than if we 4B pre?

If we 4B pre, we might have taken the pot down, and if not, we'd either be HU and IP with an uncapped range, or we'd have folded because he 5B. We wouldn't be in this spot.

The equity of our hand goes up a lot when we get this HU compared to facing six opponents holding ATC, even if BB has AK/AQ or some PP lower than QQ.* Our ability to realize our equity goes up a ton when we're HU and IP, compared to being multi-way, with four opponents behind us.

Setting aside the pre-flop shenanigans, we should bet small on this flop, with our exact hand. If anyone has a monster, we'll either find out right away, when they raise, or they'll continue to slow-play, allowing us to realize more of our equity by seeing the turn. If we bet $15 and SB x/r's, we can just fold, or depending on the size, call and hope to make our hand on the turn.

Against SB's exact hand, we had 36% equity on the flop. If SB flopped 2P or a set, or just has a draw, we're not in terrible shape, and could be ahead. We'll usually have between 25% and 40% equity against whatever SB has, if he somehow flopped a strong hand.

The turn is basically a brick, but we don't know that before the reveal. Even against A4, as long as it isn't A4ss, we've got 21% equity. Depending on how much SB had left behind, we could conceivable continue here. It doesn't seem likely that anyone would play A4ss this way.

*ETA - just to elaborate on the equity improvement from not going to the flop multi-way. HU, KQs is 62.6% against any two random cards. Add one player, and our equity drops to 45.3%. Against six opponents with ATC, we've got 24.3% equity. Start assigning our opponents random AX, low-midding PP's and SC's, and our equity plummets to 20%-22%.

HU vs A4cc, we've got 43.8% pre-flop. Seven ways, we've got 19%.

Ah I misread the flop as 332 !

Ok yeah this is different situation indeed

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