1/3 IP MW with Kings
Hero is unknown to table, played no hands to showdown. $250~ effective
Villain 1 broke from a previous table with hero and has the largest stack out of all of us. Definitely on the recreational side and I've seen some questionable betting from him.
Villain 2 is unknown, but had just told the table he's getting ready to go. Older black gentleman.
Blinds post, two folds, Villain 1 opens to $15 in MP, folds, Villain 2 cold calls, and Hero looks at KcKs. Hero raises to $60.
Folds to V1 who calls, V2 overcalls. MW to the flop.
Flop ($184) - 7h 4d 2h
V1 checks, V2 checks Hero ???
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My hunch here is to shove and get V1's overpairs to call off 88-JJ. Queens probably would've shipped pre I'm guessing here for either player. I don't have blockers to Kh type hands and I'm assuming Villain 1 can have draws here that want to see more cards. I'm not really concerned about Villain 2 because smooth calling the open and then overcalling just indicates recreational behavior.
I don't necessarily like checking back here for action killing cards to come and any bet smaller than a psb/shove is just a sizing error. I have like $190 remaining.
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40 sounds good.
We can stack off on turn or river.
I agree with shove. Especially against player who announced he is ready to go.
I like 1/3 pot here. Bigger bets may scare away the hands you want to stay in. It may be easy for a draw to call, but if a draw gets there then its just a cooler. Also the same size $60 looks suspicious. The "ready to go" guy is probably looking for a reason to go bust, and he may put the money in for you.
Hero elects to shove remaining $190.
Villain 1 tanks for 15 seconds and then folds
V2 snap calls. I table Kings.
Turn is an A. River is a blank, non pairing card.
Villain 2 rolls over 72dd.
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Tough loss. Hard to put a player on 72.
Did Villain2 leave after this hand?
Grunch:
PRE - I think we can 3B larger, like $75, and maybe even $90.
Reasoning is that our read on V1 is that he's been OOL before, and V2 has announced he's getting ready to leave, so he's probably not calling a raise with a speculative hand. Odds are V1 is too wide, and V2 is strong enough to want to continue to a small 3B, especially if V1 calls and he (V2) thinks he's getting too good a price to fold.
FLOP - Standard play here is to just c-bet small, like 1/3 pot or less. When we're multi-way, in a 3B pot, starting out with a short stack, I might just bet $45 or $50.
I don't think the range you're giving V1 is overly accurate. If he's big-stacked and been getting OOL, he's probably going to 4B some big PP's from OOP. Maybe he has 88-99, but I think we can discount TT/JJ. We can't discount 77 or flush draws.
V2 can have 77, and maybe 44, though that seems less likely here. He's likely got a lot of suited aces that are just going to fold if they're not AhXh.
You can c-bet large here, but it's dicey. You'll be folding out a lot of the 1P hands that you want to call, leaving our opponents with sets and draws to the nuts. If we jam for pot, we're getting snapped off by sets, and maybe some combo draws like 65hh or 65dd, or A3hh to A6hh.
If we c-bet small, it's possible we'll induce one of our opponents to x/r. I'd expect V1 to have more bluffs in his range, so I'd feel better continuing if he raises. If V2 raises, we need to seriously think about folding.
ETA - just read the reveal. I wouldn't think either opponent flopped 2P here, but sets are possible, and our jam is only getting snapped by 2P or a set, or a draw to the nuts.
