Facing river shove
Facing river shove

Facing river shove

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UTG +1 Limps (£138)
3 limps
Hero call SB 6c3s
BB call
Straddle checks

Flop 4s5d7c (£14)

Hero bets £10
UTG +1 calls

Turn 2c (£34)

Hero bets £20
UTG +1 calls

River Jc (£74)
Hero Check
UTG + 1 shoves £108

On the river I was trying to think of what combinations of clubs he could have as I have the 6c so he cant have 56s or 46s, he cant have A6s either

06 April 2025 at 10:24 AM
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Not sure why you are in the hand! He can have 8x or 3x for example. Check raise flop probably better. And turn bet pot or a bit more

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by Bill Hickok m

Not sure why you are in the hand! He can have 8x or 3x for example. Check raise flop probably better. And turn bet pot or a bit more

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I was only in the hand as I was getting 12-1 and already had the SB in


by RakkiOtoko m

I was only in the hand as I was getting 12-1 and already had the SB in

What do you think the odds are of hitting a playable hand (2 pair or better) on the flop?


by venice10 m

What do you think the odds are of hitting a playable hand (2 pair or better) on the flop?

And even though you did, you might lose!

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7-ways, and we lead flop after flopping the idiot end of the rainbow straight?! Seems like a textbook x-r if there ever was one, not donking out for 2/3 pot. Let somebody stab, then drop the hammer. If they have 86, you're just going broke.
Fold pre, really. I like IO too, but 63o?

AP, it's a limped pot, and you need to be right ~40% of the time on river. You're probably not. A3-5cc, A8-, maybe A9cc, 98cc, T9cc, you get the idea: all might play this way. "But they were suited!"

It's 69 straddles, you flopped a straight 7-ways, and the money didn't get in before now...


pot turn and shove river. if he has a flush too bad.

flop is a standard CR. i pretty much dont bet anything out of the sb in a limped pot, ever.


I had a lot of comments saying check raise which I guess would be the best option here


Grunch:

PRE - I mean...you can fold 63o, even getting a bazillion to one odds, with two players left to act, when you'll be OOP to the world post-flop.

But I guess limping is okay, if the BB and straddle are passive.

FLOP - Obviously bet. Think I pot it, though. No point in trying to soft-shoe here, in a limped, seven-way pot. Someone's going to have enough of a piece that they're not folding, and we want to charge them the max.

TURN - I'd over-bet. At least 1.5x pot, if not 2x pot. Your bet sizings are too small.

It's low stakes, and the pots are small in absolute terms. Your opponents hate folding. Go for max value / max pain.

RIVER - this is why I'd pot it on the flop and over-bet the turn. V shouldn't be getting here with BDFD's.

Hard to see what flush combos he has here, though. I'd think A5 and A4 would either raise pre or raise turn, at least some of the time. We have the 6c in our hand, so he can't have 8c6c. Maybe 9c8c that was hoping to spike a 6 and ended up running into a flush?

I dunno. I hate this line, and think we have to call it off, with a club in our hand. If he has 86 or rivered a flush, he's just getting paid.


by RakkiOtoko m

I had a lot of comments saying check raise which I guess would be the best option here

With all due respect to all the other posters here, a check-raise generates more fold equity than just betting out. We limped in with 63o and flopped a straight. I'm not sure we want folds. I think we want at least one opponent to call.

That said, a check-raise is fine, assuming our plan is to fold if we get 3B. The problem is that if V out-flopped us with a higher straight, he's not 3B'ing all the time. So we're going broke whether we lead out or check-raise, assuming we're just going to keep betting, and V keeps calling.

The alternative line is to check-raise flop, and then NOT bet turn, on the assumption that V did in fact out-flop us when he flats. But he could be flatting with 2P or a set. What's our plan if he bets turn? Fold? What if he checks back turn? Are we going to bet again on the river?

This sort of post-flop quandary can easily be avoided by not VPIP'ing trash like 63o, regardless of the apparent odds. The likelihood of flopping a 2nd best hand that costs us a lot of money is much higher than the likelihood of flopping a boat and someone paying us off.


fold pre


Size bigger on turn.

Call as played. Think its better to bet river though; Hero can mostly ignore backdoor clubs as villain can value bet worse and bluff.


by docvail m

Grunch:PRE - I mean...you can fold 63o, even getting a bazillion to one odds, with two players left to act, when you'll be OOP to the world post-flop. But I guess limping is okay, if the BB and straddle are passive.FLOP - Obviously bet. Think I pot it, though. No point in trying to soft-shoe here, in a limped, seven-way pot. Someone's going to have enough of a piece that they'r

Yeah I appreciate your comments. noticed a common theme my sizings are too small. I think OB turn would be very good option here since he must have something to call flop.

I think my main reason for calling was the 6c

He turned up with AcQc

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