1/3 We literally have no calling range here?

I don't see what hand you would bet 1/6 pot on the flop in position. What 2 would you be calling with preflop except A2s and 22, which are easy calls on the turn. If he had trips or better, why would he overbet shove the turn rather than gii in 2 bets, as the board is fairly dry?

Villain is uncapped, so can have AA and is loose enough to have a 2. However, I wouldn't fold a 2 to this line from this player. You shouldn't have AA, shouldn't have x2 and shouldn't have TT-KK, so you really shouldn't have anything except 22 for quads.

I don't mind stabbing at the flop, but once you're raised it's a trivial fold, since you can easily have a hand like AKo/AQs, yet the villain doesn't care.

Did you consider 3-betting preflop?

No, V is super sticky/aggro. He 4bet/call5b jam with 99 vs Hero before. Calling 3bets oop then calling flop+turn barrels with marginal hands.

We always should 3bet value vs him.

We're never flatting AK/AQ pre

You say he's too aggro to 3-bet him preflop from the BTN with 99 (?), yet you're never flatting the BTN with AK/AQs?

Ergo, Villain knows we likely have a condensed range and will have no better in this spot than a crappy Ax, which makes the flop bet against the field pretty spewy.

Wait what is your hand here? I didn't see any hand in OP. Was it 99? 99 is an easy fold on A22 after getting raised on the flop.

I may have confabulated the 99 due to another thread, since the OP is trying to find a hand that can bet-call the flop.

However, with his condensed cold-calling range from the BTN, he basically has no hands that can bet-call this flop.

you need 39% equity to breakeven so if we first assign villain ONLY a value range that is reasonable given frequency of action preflop (effectively VPIP%), then we would expand that range to include bluffs.

I prefer to approach the process in this fashion as to attenuate any overly optimistic chances i assign a villain the whole world.

So i like to do as follows:
1) value range from strong value to SDV
2) obvious semi-bluffs
3) less obvious semi-bluffs (3 to a straight w/ BDFD that turned a pair say)
4) pure bullshit - this is your "villain tendency/reads category really. Guys who see every flop get a bit more absolute trash (im talking 5 combos of pure air, NOT an entire 72o 16combos. but this helps account for anything missed and also pads for the kinda players who get a hand and play a "I'm taking this all the way regardless of what flop turn etc" look like where there is literally no methodology to determining how wide the bluff range is. low pairs turned into a bluff I usually put into the less obvious semi-bluff but I try to limit that so on a board where the lowest card is a 8 for example, i may also toss in 22/33 in this category.

When creating the range for calculating equity - the exact hands are less important than the number of combos but make sure you separate low and NO equity bluffs, it runs close but 74o as a combo where you hold TT & the the board is KQQ8r is different that 33 - eg. that 4.5% equity can actually nudge something in a direction.

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As for the hand itself, I never realized how unique this specific setup was and against a guy who probably doesnt fold to a C-bet often, Im wondering if checking this flop might be the best play simply due to how often you'd have to fold to a c/r. Whether villain realizes this though is something you'd have to fill us in on.

I dont think villain c/r's and open ships a hand like AA or 22 or A2 here unless there's some meta game thing happening.

Here's a reasonable range for villain that might need a little more refinement im just pluggin in somethin quick here:

And I dont know your hand but here's a start - this definitely needs a little more refinement if you've been playing a little tighter:

but this gives a 44%/54% equity distribution in favor of villain. so wildly enough, calling it off with that is performing above break even.

i didnt spend much time on those ranges just trying to appoximate something that isnt pure fiction but i'd say of villain's range: probably not c/r then shoving all of those combos and maybe has a little more air.

hero probably 3-bets some of those pre so we'd have to remove a few of those and not all of that range calls the check raise/other hands might. but maybe you could give us what you think your range is in this spot more or less.

If villain opens 47s in EP and is laggy, i'm not folding any 2 here. Fold pf or call with every deuce+.

I would call with AQ against this line from this villain. He can have a lot more deuces than you with his style, he can also have AA/AK, which you shouldn't have. He probably knows there is hardly anything you can call with.

How do you ever have 23 here after preflop action?

Vilalin in MP raises and Hero is on BU yeah? 23s is not in the realm of fantasy - perhaps wider than some players would prefer/feel comfortable with but if i'm closing action and blinds are not squeeze/3bet heavy, 23s with greater than 100bb stacks is a call to me preflop without question.

lol

oh i wasnt trying to be funny but thank you. i need the ego boost however i can get it.

52s makes fewer straights, but has more high card value.

why is high card value a factor either in this hand or as general strat especially compared to 32s?

I'm not good enough to make money overcalling 32s for 5bb. I'd overlimp the BTN in a fishy line up and that's probably bad. YMMV.

If you had a skill advantage and were 200+ BBs deep, you might be able to call with 32s on the button. Then you would need to steal some pots with position, besides stacking AA or A45.

I would not limp behind with this hand, but would limp behind with decent suited connectors and Axs. Would usually raise smallish with small pps. It is possible to raise big at limpers or 3! with suited connectors on the button, but like 87s, not 32s.

No one is.

Doyle's book discusses calling with almost anything multiway on the button to bluff in the right situations. He was playing maybe 400xBB deep and sometimes in private games he got invited to by playing loose and where he had a huge skill advantage.

when the blinds are absolutely passive and not likely to 3bet, you can definitely add some more calling hands to your button range for sure.

100BBs or less yeah its a dump if you dont feel like you can extract post flop often enough.

the benefit to the hand comes more in its ability to be a great bluff combo with low equity as you'll unblock a lot of the natural bluff combos etc etc.

I can definitely understand people not wanting to come along though especially if you dont feel like your post flop game can properly steal enough pots with it as well. Personally, my game necessitates high red line play because even if im heading to the river as a 80% fav, im forever stuck in some doom switch world where i only realize that 80% about 20% of the time. So my aggression post flop is pretty ****in dumb sometimes.

I’m sure your supposed run bad has nothing to do with calling raises with 32s preflop

Grunch:

In theory, I suppose we could / should call with A2/22, and 33 or 32, if we somehow get here with 33 or 32.

In practice, if we have some sort of meta-game going with V, and we think, or better, we KNOW he can and would take a line like this as a bluff, then we might call with any 2x, or A3, or any AX.

Honestly, reading some of your threads, and the way you frame the discussion in such absolute terms, I'm beginning to suspect some of these situations are nowhere near as cut-and-dry as you make them out to be, and you're framing your OP's in ways that lead people to post replies that support whatever decision you made in-game, leaving out contradictory info.

Like, on the surface, this isn't even a discussion. We just fold everything worse than 22 on the flop and move on. The fact that you've posted it leads me to wonder why, and guess the answer is likely that V was doing something he "shouldn't" be doing, which leads me to wonder if some of your opponents aren't just exploiting you for doing something obvious to them, even if it isn't to you.

lol good one, you almost got me but I know you're smarter than that