1/3 river action
1/3 river action

1/3 river action

1/3 just sat down for an hour or two, the table is crazy aggro. Chips flying everywhere, literally one goes all in every hand. Lots of aggro players.

V is one of the action player. Assume he is laggy, no showdown yet.

H hasn't had much hands to play with yet.

Effective stacks 550ish

Preflop
Mp limps Co calls, Hero in btn opens to 15, V in bb calls. mp and Co calls.

Pot 60
Flop A67r, all checks hero cbets 15, V calls. all folds

Pot 90
Turn 2, V x, H bets 45, V x/r to 100, H calls.

Pot 290
River 6
V bets 200, Hero? Hero has about 450ish

H range Ak/Aq, 7x, 6x 66, A7, A6, 89,45
Ok we are shipping all boats/quads here.
6x we are calling right?
Ak/Aq are they folds or calls?
a7 are snap calls right?
7x we have blockers, V range is polarized nuts/air, we can bluff ship?
89/45 are folds? or can we add it to our bluffing range?

V polarized range boats or air?

Or our range doesn't matter just ship every one of our range?

Or we never bluffing, only shipping boats+

14 April 2025 at 10:00 PM
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Wait...what hand does hero actually have?

Stop trying to make people jump through hoops, telling what they'd do with hypothetical hands you think you have in your range. Just tell us your actual hand and let us go from there.

What you think your opponents think your range is matters SO much less than your actual hand and what you think THEIR range is.

All that said, just looking at the action...

PRE - your raise size is too small over two limps, especially in a splashy game. This needs to be AT LEAST $20, if not $25 or $30.

FLOP - c-betting 1/4 pot multi-way on an ace-high board shouldn't be a thing. Either check or over-bet. Your c-bet size doesn't accomplish anything.

TURN - I'm not even going to try to tell you what to do with every hand you think is in your range here.

Your line doesn't make much sense, and as such, it's going to induce LAG players to do LAG $hlt. V could be raising for value or as a bluff. To keep things simple, since we've stumbled our way here in the dark, let's not try to guess or out-play him. Let's just continue with our strong hands and fold the garbage.

So you stop doing this, let me try to explain why this is nonsense:

"H range Ak/Aq, 7x, 6x 66, A7, A6, 89,45" - no, this isn't your range. Not even remotely.

You're not c-betting the flop with all your 7x or 6x. You're not barrelling and calling a check-raise with those combos, or 98, or 54. You're not barreling small and flatting the turn raise with A7 or A6. You're not flatting with 66 (or 77, which you didn't mention, but should be there with 66).

Maybe you have AK/AQ in your range. But really - would you c-bet 1/4 pot, barrel 1/2 pot on a brick, flat call the turn x/r, and then post this thread asking what to do with AK/AQ on the river?

If you have AK/AQ, why not AJ, or ATs, or A5s, or A9s, or all the AXs combos? Why not KK, when you take this line that makes no sense? How do you decide when to bet-call the turn facing a small x/r at a crazy aggro table when you bet small on flop AND turn?

"Ok we are shipping all boats/quads here." Can you explain why?

I'm not saying we wouldn't, but...would we? Can you actually explain the logic of getting to the river the way you did, with quads or a boat, going street-by-street, using logic to explain your actions? Or are you just saying, "I don't know how else to get max value for my nutted hands, so I guess I'll jam"?

"6x we are calling right?" - You don't have 6x here. Stop thinking about it.

"Ak/Aq are they folds or calls?" - you tell us, and why.

"a7 are snap calls right?" - you tell us, and why.

"7x we have blockers, V range is polarized nuts/air, we can bluff ship?" - This probably sounds smart in your head, but is actually pure gibberish.

I've read it three times and I'm convinced you're just stringing together poker-sounding terms to form something that sounds like logic but isn't.

"89/45 are folds? or can we add it to our bluffing range?" - I can barely restrain the sarcasm which all but compels me to encourage you to bluff with 98/54 here.

"V polarized range boats or air?" - Are you asking if V is polarized, or telling us he is, but asking us what that means, or what would be in a polarized range here?

I'm not convinced V isn't just clicking buttons, trying to see which one will activate your "biggest mistake possible" function. V's line doesn't make much more sense than yours, and seems most likely to be an attempt to force you to define your range, by making you fold, or jam.

V doesn't know what he's doing, because he doesn't know what you're doing, because you don't know what you're doing.

"Or our range doesn't matter just ship every one of our range?" - Correct. Our range doesn't matter. Stop thinking about it. Stop talking about it.

Stop thinking about YOU. Start thinking about THEM. What's THEIR range?

"Or we never bluffing, only shipping boats+" - At this point, it should be clear to you that you're playing YOUR hand, but you're doing it in the dark, because you've put zero effort into defining your opponent's range.

It's not hard. Watch:

PRE - it's a splashy table. V is LAG. He limps (or did he over-limp? Which guy is he?). Hero on the BTN raises to a size that's too small, and V calls. His range is almost any two cards.

FLOP - V checks A76rb (assuming "r" is "rainbow"). Hero bets 1/4 pot. V calls. His range is probably weak AX, some strong 7x or 6x, some draws like 98/85/54, some back-door BS, and maybe some PP's that don't have much if any showdown value, but aren't going to fold and might get turned into a bluff if you continue doing $hlt that looks weak.

TURN - V checks a total brick. Hero bets 1/2 pot, which is a small size, and V min-clicks it. His range is basically the same as above, but now we can add some slivers of 22, and possibly some 72 for the lulz pre. Hero calls.

RIVER - V bets 2/3 pot on a board-pairing 6. There's some non-zero percent chance he improved in some way with a hand that was FOS on the turn. But mostly this card changes nothing, and his bet size looks like he doesn't know if he's betting for value or trying to find an efficient bluff size.

So, now that I defined his range for you, put aside the questions about what you should do with a range you don't have, and just decide what your actual hand wants to do here.

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