Rip it, fold or flat?
1/3, MGMNH, Oxen Hill, MD
The game has been action packed up to the hand in question. I was auto straddling every orbit in seat 1 and had the hyper fish to my left straddling with his $100-150 stack. About half the time we were playing 1/3/6. My standard 3' raise pre to isolate against the standard open has been $45. I would get callers in the blinds sometimes. Early and middle positions are open limping straddles. I get strings of callers when I raise my own straddle to $36 after 3 or 4 people call the 6$. You get the idea. Typical 1/3 stuff.
I had been battling the guy two to my left (seat 3) and there was a hyper fish between us (seat 2). We were both chatting up the hyper fish to make sure he kept rebuying. He was doing a good job with that too I might add. He would call nearly every raise and get to the river with nearly any two cards. Villain 1 (seat 3) was 3’ing my opens and we had been tangling in large pots. I showed him a huge bluff to take down a $250 pot an orbit prior and got paid big in a hand shortly after. He 4’ me with AQ off at some point and I moved all in and took it down with KJ suited because I was never folding with the $45 I had put in prior to his RR. It was a loose game by all accounts.
Seat 4 was empty and seat 5 (Villain 2) had some guy who played very few hands and got cooler’d with a set over set at one point for a $500 pot. Seat 6 was your standard OMC and seat 7 and 8 had regs I’ve seen before. Nothing special.
Enter: the hand in question.
Hero: Has the table covered with $1,500
Seat 3, Villain 1: about $250
Seat 5, Villain 2: about $400
Seat 7: about $225
Hero gets dealt AQcc in the CO. MP (seat 7) open limps the straddle. Seat 8 folds. Hero raises to $25 in seat 1. Hyper fish folds in the SB (shockingly) and seat 3 reraises to $65 in the BB. Pretty standard for how our game has played out so far. I had been defending my raises and outplaying him post flop so I wasn’t too worried about this raise being super strong. The part that worried me was seat 5 who was in the straddle and flatted the $65. MP flats the 3’ too and it gets back to Hero.
At this point there’s around $225 in the pot and I have a choice to make. Do I ship it and try to squeeze out seats 3 and 5 and try to get heads up against seat 7, or call and go four ways to the flop? Largest effective behind is about $335 in seat 5 (Villain 2).
To be clear, we’re never folding here.
WWYD?
11 Replies
I would slam it all in vs a guy who’s 3b me wide. The other 2 don’t concern me.
it would seem you don't have much fold equity here? a cram might end up going 3 or 4 way? if it could get heads up then it's a clear shove
if it's likely to go 3 or 4 way then I'm ok with calling giving we're closing the action with a plan to get it in on a q or flush draw board
We literally have no fold equity if we ship with such stack sizes.
I think I'd flat and see a flop.
Folding is ok as well if we believe we are dominated.
We literally have no fold equity if we ship with such stack sizes.
I think I'd flat and see a flop.
Folding is ok as well if we believe we are dominated.
If we think we're ahead or are pot committed anyway, don't we jam because we think we're ahead and want to see a river anyway? There is a non-zero amount of fold equity from at least one of the three.
I think this is an easy shove.
Seat 3 is 3betting light, which is probably why Seat 5 and Seat 7 feel like they can get away with limp-coldcalling IP vs the 3bettor. Those two are extremely capped -- guessing they have hands like 55 or A2s or 87s, maybe JTo -- and should be punished.
You are likely ahead or flipping with Seat 3's range, so a shove is profitable. If you end up flipping with a mountain of dead money in the middle it is a big win.
If we believe we’re ahead of two if not all three of them, don’t we jam? If we think we’re behind or need an Ace to win I can see a world where we call and wait to see a flop… but say we hit our ace, jam the flop and then the 10/10 or J/J seat three or any of the rest of them have fold and we lose a lot of value. Right?
Standard open for SB is to reraise button because they’re OOP and want to build a pot where they’re pot committed anyway with a stack of his size. They can also squeeze out the rest of the field because they all have me to act behind them, the original raiser, and go HU against me. The 65 3’ seems very standard here and like someone else said could be light given my history with being active and our history together.
I raise/shove and feel fine about it. We should have the best hand right now -- or a flip. I think your open was too small, though, with a limper. There was already $12 in the pot.
I raise/shove and feel fine about it. We should have the best hand right now -- or a flip. I think your open was too small, though, with a limper. There was already $12 in the pot.
Understood completely. But I was also doing this very light in position to people so I wanted to keep it uniform.
We literally have no fold equity if we ship with such stack sizes.
I think I'd flat and see a flop.
Folding is ok as well if we believe we are dominated.
We might not have "rational fold equity," but I can see people folding pocket pairrs like 99, TT here.
I think shove is OK, and occasionally we'll run into AK, but so be it.
We might not have "rational fold equity," but I can see people folding pocket pairrs like 99, TT here.
I think shove is OK, and occasionally we'll run into AK, but so be it.
At least we’re suited. Right? Haha
I ended up shoving. Seat 3 folded as expected, seat 5 would have beat me into the pot if he was next to act and seat 7 shrug called.
Seat five had AA surprisingly. He beat me and took the side pot and seat seven scooped main with Broadway on the run out and KJhh.
