We always folding turn vs tight player?
1/3 6 handed.
V1 is usually pretty nitty, but call down light vs aggro players, he went from fairly deep stacks down to only 420ish.
V2, first time playing, pretty tight so far, hero just moved from other table, not too sure of his plays. stacks maybe 1200+ or more.
Hero is usually pretty nitty as well, just stacked a lag, around 1600 chips.
HH1 ~ This hand was from like a week or two ago.
Mp limps, Hero iso raises to 15 in btn w/78ss, V in sb calls, Mp calls.
Flop 678dd, check check, hero bets 15, V x/r to 80. Hero calls.
Turn 4, xx
River 3 V bets 200 for pot???? Hero did an overbet river vs Villain a few hands earlier, he folded. Hero calls, V shows TQdd, missed draws.
Actual hand
V1 in utg opens to 20(very big 6 handed)
V2 in Mp calls
Hero in bb w/TT calls
Pot 61
Flop 642ss H checks V1 bets 30, V2 folds, Hero calls.
Pot 121
Turn 8 H checks, V1 bets 50, we can't call right? Once we call, our range is capped? V shoving his whole range on river?
We only beat bluffs and draws maybe 99?
We can't turn our hand into bluff and ship right?
Our what's our preflop squeezing range vs nitty V1 and deepstacks V2? Only premiums? Size? 100? 150? 200?
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I'm fine with just flatting preflop against a tight EP opener non-short with no real significant dead money.
I wouldn't hate a flop donk 3ways; protects our equity if ahead, sets our own price to see a turn, prolly won't get raised by worse unless someone is super aggro. But also fine with check/evaluating. Not loving that he has continued into 2 opponents, but I think (?) I'm ok with calling once to evaluate turn. Against very nitty ABC players I could find a fold on the flop.
No one I play with is "shoving their whole range on the river", so that isn't a concern of mine on the turn. I think for the majority of the poker population it is actually the opposite (in that almost no one 4 barrel bluffs or bets an overpair on the river after their first 3 streets are called). I'm simply more worried that this guy is still betting and there's not a lot of worse hands he could be doing that with. I don't mind folding here. Not in love with turning our hand into a bluff, nor attempting to get overpairs to fold, so I think my second choice would be to call again and evaluate river.
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I mean, I dont think you need to re-raise for this sizing. Seems like a reasonable call down. We have nut advantage.
I assume banana means we have all of 88/66/44/22 and V has none ... but IME lots of Vs will just keep firing like they have the nuts with at least AA/KK here. Esp. V's who are betting a biggish half pot on 642ss into two people.
Worth noting that QdTd is a bad (GTO) bluff on the river in the first hand where I assume he should be using 9x combos.
I think it matters if we have Ts or not, and I might be more likely to fold if we do.
I'd be happier to call turn if we are planning on shoving at least 7x/5x rivers when checked to, 3x is a bit more dicey but w/e.
If we think V is blasting AK/whatever enough then shrug and call, but this doesn't look like that much.
What I'm saying is we have traps, we're 420 eff pre to a 60$ pot.. money slides in in 3 streets (or even 2). We can x/r bluff turn if we think we're behind JJ+ but we have decent SDV and keep his AK in. And is folding an OP for a xrai? Maybe but I doubt it. If its TT v JJ+ I'd rather lose the minimum and 50 into 121 is close to the minimum.
i mean bet size on turn seems kind of small for your avg tight nittier players unless you know they opt for bad sizing with value.
Why can't we just flat call turn and evaluate the river?
