AQ vs turn raise
Live 2-5 $500 deep. Main villain is a late middle aged man.
Middle position raises to $20
SB calls
I call in BB with A ♣️ Q ❤️
$60
Flop comes Q ♣️ 2 ♦️ 4 ♣️
Sb check
Mp check
$60
Q ♣️ 2 ♦️ 4 ♣️ 5 ❤️
Sb check
I bet $45
Mp raise to 160
Sb fold
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I like the delayed c-bet line having only called from the big blind, but I'm not loving the raise.
Villain basically reps super thin: 1 combo of QQ, and a turned set of 55. I really hate these spots against recreational players because I'm always like "the line makes no sense, the polarization of their range considering flop action and board texture narrows down their value so much but I manage to get shown dumb shit like Q4 with some kind of speech or, the worst offender, "well i put you on AK" which never makes any fucking sense logically.
Any info on what MP's raising range looks like and do you have any info on how aggressive/passive they were playing? I'm operating here with the assumption that 36s is definitely not in their range unless their some rec fish occasional stream watcher.
If the guy woke up from a comatose passive play only stupor I guess its time to fold though but it seems really fuckin gross to do so.
And since most recreational players dont slow play a flop like that too often backed with the fact you're holding the Aclub lead me to saying it skews their range away from a chunk of sensible semi-bluffs here.
Would villain bet IP on that flop with 55 or check it back?
Eh, this spot sucks. Calling 180 to potentially fold the river feels like dumb play. If you were deeper you could block bet since you have some solid value but I think that option would really necessitate them having KQ/QJ/QT but wouldnt some of those holdings bet flop some % greater than 50? At 500 deep, sizing options become absurd - you cant go too large or you'll rationalize calling it off no matter what (at least thats something i've definitely and incorrectly done - kind of a "well im here, i climbed this high may as well get the scenic view of the cards"
Bluff shoving the turn w/ the Aclub and 4 outs to the effective nuts seems a little too reckless/over the top but I mean - what the hell is raising almost 4x here? I guess 67cc might find some reason to mash the gas but then if all thats in the range, it only takes a little bit to nudge me to jamming to deny equity to any of the draws and hope they call and miss.
Eh - little bit of info on villain and we'd be able to choose which of the above applies the best though - feel free to expound on the topic at hand OP
I don't understand why you didn't 3-bet preflop, especially with the the SB's call now in the pot.
Without any information, this is a fold on the turn. As stated above, you should have gathered more information to help you make a better decision.
That sucks, but I think it's a fold even with top pair and the nut club blocker. Stupid stuff like A3 or little Q get there possibly even a baby set. Line doesn't make much sense but your really losing the minimum here. As played I think your line was good actually I can't say I would want to 3-bet from BB at best your chopping here at worst another barrel is coming on the river and any club comes could be really hot water. Unless you have some kind of read on V I really don't know what your beating here and you know another barrel is coming. Because you have the nut flush blocker if another club does come even if you want to bluff the river you just aren't deep enough for him to get away.
PRE - think we should 3B here, not flat call.
FLOP - check seems pretty standard now.
TURN - think we should just check again to let MP stab at it, which he's going to do pretty frequently, as the PFR, when action checks to him twice.
Alternatively, if we want to bet, I'd bet larger, full pot or more.
As played, I don't think we should fold. What's he repping? 55? A3?
We block AA/QQ, and can rep the nuts on a river club. We can also spike an ace, 3, or another Q.
Think we can just flat call, and look to play some poker on the river:
- brick, check-evaluate, but mostly check-call if he bets a reasonable size, like half pot-ish.
- Ace, Q, club, or 3, donk jam.
you haverhe perceived nut advantage but only if villain is aware enough to realize hats the case.
you may have fold equity on turn to make it work nut i still think without info, its way too narrow a spot if we analyze without any other info
seems too high in range to fold from a theory-perspective; tricky situation
need to know stacks
3bet pre, but here we are. W/o more info on V, I sigh fold and move on.
(Stacks are $500.)
With no reads, I'm 3b/fold preflop oop against a MP raise at 2/5 with AQo. I'm not interested in going 3-ways to the flop against wide ranges here second-to-act postflop.
Flop x okay.
Turn: I prefer x/c rather than getting blown off my significant equity by donking and getting raised. Totally agree with Docvail here: if betting, I'm using polar sizing with arguable nut advantage.
AP turn: V reps QQ-AA. He has few sets or wheels. Blocking AA and QQ, I think we can call with re-draw. There are also a lot of chops here.
Agree with Docvail on river jamming cards. V would get ~2-1 to call and he would have to fold KK I think and his chops.