2-5 line check
Playing 9 handed, 1000 effective stack.
Hero, HJ, Ac2c.
Utg: limps
Utg+1 limps
Folds to me, limps.
Folds to SB: raises to 20.
Bb folds,
Utg: calls
Folds to me.
Hero: calls 20. Pot: 70
Flop: 5cAs7c
Sb: bets 20
Utg: calls
Hero: calls. Pot : 130
Turn: 5cAs7cJh
Bb: checks
Utg: bets 30
Hero: raises to 80
Bb: check raises to 280 pot: 520
Utg: folds
Hero:?
The bb seems like a mostly straight forward player, he didn’t get involved in a lot of pots. I did not see him check raise that many people or for very large amounts.
14 Replies
Folding.
You are not getting direct odds to call and the presence of front door clubs greatly reduces our implied odds.
No one is bluffing here
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The limp-calling preflop with A2s is pretty meh, and the turn raise just feels like button-clicking, since no Ax should be folding here, which means you're overcharging yourself to draw to the flush.
The limp-calling preflop with A2s is pretty meh, and the turn raise just feels like button-clicking, since no Ax should be folding here, which means you're overcharging yourself to draw to the flush.
That is an interesting point, I feel that normally when you have a pair plus a flush draw you have so much equity you should try to build the pot especially after bb checked and UTG put in such a weak bet. That said, once the bb check raised to such a large size it felt like they may have a set or at minimum 2 pair and the amount of equity I had was probably a lot lower than I had thought.
Pre is marginal, but don't hate it.
Call flop mutiway is fine, but really just call turn again multiway.
As played feels like a fold, unless you somehow think these guys will call some big bet if the flush does come in.
I don't like the limp much with a couple of exceptions. 1) It's a time game. 2) it is a calculated play to make you look like recreational player.
Easy call pre.
On the turn I think call or raise are both fine. However, I don't like the size. If you had weak ace with no draws this might be OK because you are charging draws and then hoping it goes check check on the river, thus preventing yourself from being fluffed.
Here, I feel you are more semi bluffing. You have the worst possible ace and nfd. The purpose of your raise seems to be a bluff to avoid a chop or losing to like A9. So you need to make an ace fold with a bigger bet. A secondary purpose is to build a pot with a worse draw.
I would call the big CR. His PFR was very dinky for AA or Jj. You would rarely see someone do this with 55. Maybe 77? AJ would not surprise me.
However, with 2 callers on a drawy board, why not just blast 2p+?
There are a lot of combo draws he could have that might give up on bluffing through 2 people on an ace high board. Then he checks and sees you guys drinking and dunking and decides to go for it.
You have position
So, you are beat fairly often, but have the nfd. The ace helps as a blocker, though when you are beat I think an ace or 2 rarely helps.
But there might also be times you have him absolutely crushed and will stack him when you both hit.
Most players will also give up bluffing into you otr.
Preflop seems fine, even though passive.
You could maybe raise the flop when you have a lot of equity. On the turn, you don't have so much equity, so the small raise doesn't make much sense. You probably need to fold to the cold 3! as played.
the whole hand is pretty ugly and way too passive.
Flop is the worst street....why are you not raising the flop? We have top pair with the nut flush draw and we have position. Put pressure on
but in order, I would raise the first time over 2 limps to 30. As played it's a call pre flop.
Definitely raise flop...prolly a little under pot size, so maybe 105-110
turn raise isn't nearly big enough. with one less street to go than on flop, we have less pot equity and we want folds. 50 more into 190 has zero fold equity and just looks weak and clicky...particularly after how passively we've played pre and flop.
turn check raise from bb is 2pair +, which means you're drawing to the flush...8 or 9 outs max. Calling is ok if you are sure he'll call a river bet and it becomes a math problem. How much do you need him to call on the river to justify calling the turn
you have approx 18-20%. You need to call 200 into 520....how much do you need him to call on the river if the flush comes in?
Fold preflop, you're going to end up dribbling away chips to a better Ax far too often, and if you're just going to fold any flop that isn't a flush draw then why are you involved? You're also unlikely to end up being in position; I could get on board with an overlimp from CO or button.
Facing the small raise from SB with odds and position you're now backed into a corner with your weak Ace and have to call, but what is your flop plan?
Flop I could go either way call or raise here. You're building a pot up to the nuts,might get immediate folds and generally have loads of equity so can't go horribly wrong with a raise. But if you want to play the hand as a pure draw and take your immediate odds then that's fine.
What is the purpose of the turn raise? You think SB has given up and the limper has a weak Ace which you can get to fold? Are you blasting river unimproved if you get called?
Facing the check-raise you now have a bloated pot with a weak top pair and a draw with one card to come which is far from ideal. Will you get SB stack if the flush hits? Will you be happy to see another Ace, or a 2?
By default I would just fold again, but this is why I would have folded at the start, because now you've just dribbled away quite a bit of money without really having any control of the situation.
BB is swapped for SB somewhere, or reverse? Folding preflop but x/r turn is quite a thing.
Would fold everywhere apart from flop where I'd raise. Whole hand looks like 1-2 inspired button clicking, hoping you'll hit the nuts and get paid off by who cares what (but probably almost never paid off enough).
Limping behind on the button with A2s may be OK. Then you have to call the small turn raise. I don't mind playing passively preflop with certain hands and situations.
On the turn, your equity is reduced and you need to just call. Small raise doesn't accomplish much and got you into trouble.
better to raise flop than turn, especially vs weak sizing letting villain set his own price
raise puts a with better kicker in some tricky spots all streets
fold to xr
it always blows my mind how other people's 2/5 game limps this much. Literally no one limps at mine. half the pots are 3-bet.
Preflop seems like a clear squeeze to me.
As played, calling the small 3bet from SB while closing the action is fine.
I am onboard with just calling flop: by raising you would fold out worse hands only, and get called only by better.
In the latter case, you'd still have a pretty good equity, but you have too much showdown value to turn your hand into a bluff.
OTT, on the one hand I am also tempted to raise this tiny bet from UTG, on the other hand, he is still betting into two people, so we have to give him some credit . If you raise, you shoudl raise bigger, ~100 at least.
As played, the c/r from BB is never a bluff and, if I did the math right, you need ~28% equity to call, so you do not have direct odds (most probably).
The question then is about IO: how much do you think you can get from V when you river your flush?
In a vacuum, I'd lean towards a fold.
Thanks for your input.
I ultimately decided that I wasn’t getting the pot odds to call and I felt that unless sb was also on a flush draw they would probably check fold if the flush completed and if the river was a brick they would shove meaning I wouldn’t get to utilize the showdown value of my A. I folded.