NFD 4-ways
1/3 NLHE 9 handed
Table has a lot of beginners and people I don't know. V1 is the one player I have a lot of hours with.
V1 - young white guy. Loose passive to aggressive. Break even player. Makes a lot of loose calls (ex. cold calls a 4-bet with AQo from SB) preflop and sticks around too long post flop, misapplies basic concepts but is thinking about them. RFI's way too wide, tries to 3-bet polar at some frequency. Ends up being splashy/stabby in lines that make no sense. 30/20/10. Never gives me credit for a hand. UTG+1. Covers.
V2 - bad indian player. bleeding down calling everything. CO. 200$.
V3 - unknown chubby asian loose passive hasnt done anything yet. VPIP about 20%. We have 1 hour with this guy. Just limp called a bit. BB. 510$.
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V1 opens UTG+1 to 10, H sees A♦ 7♦ and calls MP, V2 calls CO/IP, V3 calls BB. 4-ways 3rd to act.
Flop 40 (500 eff) - J♦ 6♦ 2♥
V3 checks, V1 c-bets 20, I call 20, V2 folds, V3 check-raises to 100, V1 calls 100, we call 100 (?). 3-ways IP.
Turn 340 (400 eff) - 9♣
V3 checks, V1 checks, ....
14 Replies
Fold pre
As played, xb turn unless you are ready to bet small ott and jam river or jam ott
No point in trying to make ppl fold, just make the nuts and bet.
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Yeh I would fold pre - just rarely flops well enough and if it comes Axx you're either behind to a better Ace or betting and everyone folds. I would raise the flop - get everything but Jx+ to fold, you'll have position on V1, and of course have plenty of clean outs. Yeh I'd just check behind turn - not sure what V3 is doing but not really looking to challenge him when we block diamonds.
I would fold preflop, but maybe call multiway in late position. This is one of the worst suited aces.
I was play the flop as you did and check the turn. If you hit, someone may have worse flush, which is a lot of the profit of this sort of hand. If it gets checked to you on the river, I would bet.
fold pre, dont bet the turn
Fold pre, check the turn, bink the river 😉
I don't like being the first caller preflop and we'll be in horrible relative position to the world postflop. Still, for this price at a table full of beginners where it is unlikely we'll get 3bet preflop, I'm not gonna hate too much.
I'm fine with just flatting the flop at this large SPR this multiway with a cbet into the world. Looks like we're being asked to call $80 into $260 closing the action in position? Prolly a sigh call for this price.
I have no idea what is happening on the turn but I think I'm happy enough to take my free card to this flop action and play make-a-hand pokr.
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I'm OK pre deep at a loose passive table where you won't get 3 betted a lot, assuming you can navigate post when you hit an Ace but no flush draw. Folding pre can't be wrong either.
Turn is an easy check to get free card, especially since I have no idea what v3 is doing here
Result:
Spoiler
So I end up playing like crap and shoving turn. My thought was these guys must be weak to check-raise and then check a blank. V3 snap calls with J♠ 2♠ and V1 folds showing 3♦ 4♦, river blanks.
Yeah, after the x/r on the flop, I don't think your push is going through often. That one villain had 4d3d shows you would probably stack him if you hit the flush, and shows why preflop isn't that terrible. Low stakes fish playing J2s and 43s in a raised pot.
It's a pretty common trap to fall into, when we call a check-raise on the flop, and then bet when the flop raiser checks again on a brick. Just check back and see a river.
All that said...
Fold pre. Suited aces look playable, but A6-A8 are borderline un-playable in most pots. Stick to ace-broadway and ace-wheel combos, plus A9s.
Consider raising the flop rather than flat calling, if only to make sure what happened here doesn't happen. If we make it $50 or $60 to go, the BB will be less likely to go for a check-raise, and we'll see a cheaper turn, and possibly a free river. If we make it $50 to $60 and BB comes over the top, it's a trivial fold.
As played, if we're probably priced in to call flop and see the turn. Jamming turn is a spew.
Yeah, preflop doesnt lose much, but may indicate you are playing way too loose, calling with one of the worst suited aces in ep.
Pre isn't terrible, esp. given other people's ranges. It's not "good", more like random low stakes bingo.
Kind of surprised that nobody mentioned 3bet pre. ... esp. given the read that V1 is RFI way too wide. Obviously not a normal hand to do it with, but I doubt it's worse than call.
Postflop I'd either shove flop, or check turn.
Doubt shove flop is better than call, esp. given that they are going to give you a free river if you want it.
Big downside to flop call is if everyone gets out of the way when a diamond hits turn ... or V3 shoves most non-diamond turns (as he should).
Pre i dont like calling when utg / utg+1 opens and we are EP /MP in general (lots of players yet to act ; sqeezing from LP is verry sexy in those spots => we should not call unless we can continue vs a 3B .
This suggest we should 3b or fold
Ok, since we flopped NUT-FD in a multiway pot , giving us decent Equity ill raise here in the first place very often,
I want those behind me to fold = less competition and Position , better control on later streets.
Im not afraid getting it there.. f..ed up here is shipping over the 100 raise after calling the 40 bet; we never play a set like this on such a wet board ..
So check Turn and pray for a free d-river
Facing a bet i go
Pure pod odds and consider pp yet to act in pos.
We are very happy to see the river for free
I don't like the ep/mp call with A7s. However, the issue of calling a 3! is not that important, as they are not that common in most 1/3 games in the US.
