DBBP decision with 2P and 1P
2/5 $1200 max buy, 8 handed, recently created table. This is the 2nd bomb pot. $25 ante.
V = MAWG. He plays lots of hands, bets big. Three times I've seen him win post flop pots with bets slightly more than the pot. Only thing I've seen that was close to a show down was on turn, his opponent bet $250, V went AI, opponent called and took it down with 1P, TT in the hole, which was second pair with a K on the board when all the money went in. I assume V was on a SD as there was nothing else for him to semi bluff. V rebought to $1K about 5 hands prior to this one.
H, $800, 1st to act, 26o both black, knows no one at the table, probably has an OMC vibe as I'm a gray beard and have only played and lost 1 hand in the first 1/2 hour since the table opened.
Brd1 = 26T, all black, 2 clubs
Brd2 = 56J, all black, 2 spades
I check and it checks around to V in CO, who bets $250. BU folds.
Fold, call, raise?
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Can you stomach an $800 loss? Because he's probably going to make you play for it all regardless.
I mean you are going to have super high variance with 5bb DBBPs every 30m. Buying in smaller seems like the nuts.
As it is ... I like shove better than call, I guess. You are losing vs. random JT, but there's a lot in the pot and maybe you get folds sometimes. Also sometimes people get in a habit of bluffing people out of bomb pots to pickup the $200.
I'm not sure if we should just fold anyway, it would def. help to know the exact cards to know if he can have some cross board combo. draws, even though suited cards are less likely.
Hammer the dealer for a misdeal?
You have J65 and T62 boards, all black, yet somehow have 62o also black. 3 black sixes.
Am I wrong? Are there 2 decks being used?
AIUI, I thought the goal was to have a hand which can scoop? Right now, unless V has like TT, you're doing rather well on Board 1, though it's a fragile 2P, and at least have a pair on Board 2.
Will V fold to a jam? If they've JTo, you're like reciprocal 70-75/30-25 favorites for each board.
Easy fold. You’re only in for $25.
Hammer the dealer for a misdeal?
You have J65 and T62 boards, all black, yet somehow have 62o also black. 3 black sixes.
Am I wrong? Are there 2 decks being used?
You caught my error. I'm pretty sure the T62 board was all black so the 6 on the other board must have been red. Both boards did have 2 cards flushing.
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I considered that V was last to act and I had seen him be pretty aggressive with draws, so I shoved hoping he would fold a bluff. I was so thin, I couldn't call and risk other callers, so it was either shove or fold.
All others folded. V paused and called. I wasn't happy with his call.
I can't remember the run outs but my 1P was the 3rd pair.
I scooped. He didn't show but claimed he was on a FD. Maybe the dude really doesn't understand DBBP, but HU you never pay big to draw to only one board.
While my aggressiveness was well rewarded, I'm not sure it was smart or if I just got dumb lucky, getting paid off by a really bad player.
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Pretty easy shove considering there aren't any hands you are losing to on both besides T6
If he has the club draw up top and a 6 or J on bottom wouldn't be great either I suppose.
Still seems like a mandatory shove with the dead money in there and even if he folds 5% of the time that's an incredible result
This is very true in PLO DBBP, where having even a very good hand on one board but nothing on the other can be a bad spot (Eg. KKxx on KJ2/654) because you are playing 2 cards and opponents can be playing all 4 ... but in NLHE it's much more difficult to scoop in general, esp. so when you have two pair on one board and one of those pairs is also on the other board, and if you hit something good you'll be using all of your cards.
Eg. on:
Brd1 = T62, all black, 2 clubs
Brd2 = J65, red 6, 2 spades
Scooping applies enough that I would think of 66 as the best possible hand, but while 8c7c has a "good" chance to scoop if draws hit I wouldn't think of it anywhere near a hand like K987sscc/A543ccss in PLO.
I would probably rate hands something like (again difficult to do the cross board combo. draws without knowing the exact cards):
66,JJ,TT,J6,T6,Jcc,T:ss,65,AA,KK,QQ,62,JT,87,43,AJ,...
...but how people order some of those might be different.
Awesome, thanks for the tips. I admit, my PLO strat gets jumbled up with my NL stuff. And then there's the, "OK, what's a pot-limit raise size again? Which I seem to butcher once a session. LOL. Don't even ask me about 5-card PLO. At least getting quartered isn't usually a thing with these.
Anyway, AIUI, getting really involved on a NL DBBP, try to scoop, but a really good hand/probable winner on one, and something above a 50% outcome, like middle pair, on the other, is a green light?
I was mainly going off the pf reads with my initial impulse to go with it. V chased everyone else out, bets big whether they have it or not, and we're likely way ahead one board at this point, but it won't last-->shove.
