Kings facing a cold 4-bet

Very easy call. You almost have odds if the 4! is AA. Might be a question with KK at 1/2 NL deep.

Ive Played about 200 hours live. And I think this is only the third 4 bet I've faced. The other two times the Opponent was fully stacked, And I folded both times. I think folding is the correct play when facing a straight forward player, but in this situation I thought it was close.

It's not close. The short stack can have whatever. It is not always AA. Furthermore, with pot odds and equity, it needs to be AA more than 80% of the time for it to be a fold.

I had a situation playing 1/2 on a Saturday night where there was a raise to 10, a call, I 3-bet to 40 with a stack of 180 and QQ. Raiser folds, caller looks at how much I have and says allin. I think for about 30 seconds. Caller asks why am I thinking. My hand is good on AKxxx board. Low stakes players sometimes don't like to fold decent hands even when it should be obvious they should.

A lot of times a 4! at 1/2 is AA or KK, partly because the 3! ranges are so tight, but that doesn't apply so much to short stacks.

This is my thinking exactly. Sometimes the short stacks have burnt me, especially on a check raise turn. But Pre seems like there ready to double up or leave/rebuy.

Call/shove looks suspicious to me. Gotta love low stakes players.

Easiest call. 100% of time. Never even consider folding. Snap and high five dealer.

Should rarely even consider folding KK sub 200 BB deep, let alone 50 BB!

Even against the nittiest omc it'd have to be 125-150bb + for me to even think about it.

How could you ever put someone on only AA for 50 bigs? Even most OMCs will get it in with AK or QQ for 50

H calls
$261(after rake) total pot, $184 main pot, $72 side pot. If I calculated things correctly.
V1 shows 7J
V2 Shows AK

Board runout x 8 9 10 Q

V1 wins main pot with his straight
H wins side pot with his pair

H was in for $100 got $72 back for a total loss of $28.
If I had folded pre I would have lost $35. Calling saved me $7. lol is this positive equity?

Lol wtf is this post? Is it even serious?

This is just results oriented.

You might as well fold AA then because it would've lost you money in this specific spot.

I hate gatekeeping, but are you sure this is the forum for you? Or No-Limit Hold 'Em the game?

Facing J7s and AKs, with KK pf, you are a 52.6% favorite 3-ways. J7s is at 17.1, AKs is 30.3.

I'm sorry you lost. Downturns happen. If poor players didn't go on winning streaks, they wouldn't hang around and let us take their money from them.

dangomango wrote

The OP was serious. I was asking because at the stakes I play most players will only 4bet with KK or AA, hell most players will only 3bet with AA or KK. Normally I fold to 4bets. What made this spot different was the short stacks and I had history with V1 and I knew he was loose. The follow up post was giving the results of the hand, cracking a joke on myself ($7 I found this funny), and asking a question about equity.

Nh,gg. wrote

Ty for this. 52.6% I'm happy I got it in as the favorite.

+1 to this

A short stack shove at low stakes is not nearly as strong as a 4! deep. It may not make sense to shove over a tight 3! range, but many low stakes players really don't like to fold decent hands preflop

I can assure you that you have mannnnyyyy leaks in your game but gii KK pre for 50bbs is not one of them.