AK River decision

Preflop, flop standard.

Turn: x is okay but there's an argument for a thin value bet here. Spade rivers will kill action and broadway river may actually beat us. We often have the best hand now and I think we need to try to get paid/deny equity on turn. We can already have the NF so can Vs really xr us? We have the redraw if anyone gets fancy.

AP river: We cannot fold getting nearly 3-1 and blocking with AhKs all kinds of logical flush combos. So do we raise for thin value, targeting just stuff like AQ and AT? I still think V should lead the turn with his small flushes. I'm inclined to raise/fold. Call cannot be totally bad. I can't find a fold here.

Edit
Flop was As Js 9h

This would have made the board by the River

As Js 9h 3s 7c.

Grunch:

PRE - I'd think the $17 open is good sizing, but we got three callers, so it seems we could probably size up some.

FLOP - weird spot. If we were HU I think I'd over-bet here. But multi-way I think I'd prefer to check and see what happens. This less than 1/3 pot size bet doesn't seem to accomplish much in the way of defining opponents' ranges.

That said, we did get the BTN to fold, which is good. And neither of the other two raised, so we're probably best on the flop, assuming one or the other is going to raise with 2P+ on this somewhat wet board.

TURN - yuck. Think checking back is fine. I could also see betting small to recap our opponents. Think I prefer that line, maybe betting 1/3 pot, like $40-$45, with plans to fold if we get raised, and just check back the river if we get called.

The problem with checking back turn is that it severely caps our range, and opens the door to getting bluffed on the river.

RIVER - kind of gross, but he's betting less than 60% pot, in a spot where I think his flushes size way up, and his hands that are better than ours but not a flush may decide to bluff catch by checking again. I don't like it, but with the Ks in our hand, and without the As, I think we can call and be okay with losing if he has us beat.

In that case, I think we definitely have to call river.

All due respect, that's a very thin range to target for value with a raise, when V limps in pre. If we raise, it's hard to find worse hands that call.

Seems like we'd be turning our hand into a bluff. But what nut flushes do we have if V has the Qs, and the As and Js are on board? KT or K9? Do we ever raise pre with worse Kx than that? If V has the second nuts, is he ever folding here? Maybe if he's nitty or terrible, but we shouldn't be in the business of trying to get opponents to fold flushes. If he has a lower flush, we're still only repping K9/KT/KQ, and maybe some QT/Q9. I'd have a hard time folding if I blocked those with T9.

I'd be equally, if not more concerned about V having the occasional straight with T8, or just some preposterous rivered 2P with A7 or slow-played A9. Don't think A3 is folding anywhere near often enough.

Just seems to me that we're better off bluff catching with a call, when V is taking a linear size. If he went polar, I could see min-clicking it if we just had the nut blocker and no showdown value.

Probably easy fold.

Most loose passive don't thin value. Their value range is probably 2p+.

Most likely not much bluffs in his range.

If it were headsup, this is easiest snap call.

3way, less bluffs more value in his range.

Imho fold>shove>call.

H folds
V doesn't show

This bet looked value-y to me. I didn't think V would bluff into two players. He check called the flop with something. Flush draw? straight draw that got there by the river? AQ and A10 seem unlikely since V didn't raise pre. I didn't think V would value bet one pair. The pot odds seemed good. But V used this sizing when he was good before.

So I folded and was left wandering if I saved myself money or not.

FWIW In the first hand we played V flatted his made flush on the turn, because he had two outs to a straight flush. The casino was having a $1000 high hand promotion. This I believe would make betting my nut flush draw on the turn (in this hand) less profitable. Would one of the two players raise me off the hand?

Agree. I analyzed the hand before the edit, so I assumed Ad was on board, not As.
Prefer calling with As on board, not raising.
We are overfolding if we fold here.

So, three things that might help your game:

1. In most spots, when we have the betting lead, but then check, our opponents are going to be betting with a wider range, both with value and with bluffs, which means we need to call more with our good bluff catchers.

2. Checking back the turn with showdown value, in order to bluff catch the river when our opponents lead out for a small size (around 1/2 pot) is a very profitable, if not one of the most profitable lines in all of poker.

3. As Spanishmoon says, if we fold here, we're probably over-folding. While the concept of over-folding is often dealt with intuitively, as in, "I think my opponent is under-bluffing here, so I should over-fold", it's also a mathematical concept within the context of MDF (minimum defense frequency). When V bets $70 into $125, he's betting 56% pot. That means if we have no idea if he's over or under bluffing, or if we think he's balanced, we should call with the top 44% of our hands (the inverse of 56%), to avoid over-folding and becoming exploitable.

Whether or not our hand is in the top 44% may be debatable, based on how we'd play various hands in our range. But 44% is a HUGE number of hands, so TPTK more than likely makes the cut, given how unlikely it is that we'd have a flush or straight here.

In my opinion, an even better way to look at this is to consider the pot odds in conjunction with the bluffing frequency going up when we check back turn. The pot odds are laying us almost 2.8 to 1, meaning we only need to be good around 36% of the time, in a spot where we've induced V to bet a wider range.

It's okay to call and lose here, if we've got a good thought process in place, which leads to good decisions. Sometimes V will have us beat, but we only need to catch him bluffing or betting worse for value around 36% of the time to make this a profitable call.

Yeah, after I posted I figured you hadn't seen the edit. Maybe OP gets something out of it though.