1/3 deepstacks vs aggrofish
1/3 9 handed
Villain is very fishy preflop, calling range super wide any2 suited cards are playable to him, postflop has alot of aggro tendencies especially headsup.
HH1
Hero is in utg with the rock straddle for 5.
3~4limpers, Hero has TQdd opens to 35, 1 p player call in mp, Villain in sb calls.
Flop KJ2hhh all checks
Turn 4 all checks
Riv 8h, V checks, H bets 40, V calls with K3dd???
HH2
Rock straddle for 10, Lag opens to 35 in +2, 4 callers including Villain in Sb.
Flop AJ4cc Lag cbets 45, V calls
Turn 8c Both checks
Riv J V leads out for 80, Lag tank folds, V shows 9to?????? he floated oop with air in a multiway pot???
HH3
Rock straddle for 10 in btn, Sb opens to 35, V in bb calls, 3 callers behind.
Flop AT7r, Sb cbets 35, V calls, all call
Turn T, all checks
River 7, V bets 150, all folds, V shows an A but I believe the other card is T that slowplayed flop+turn. He has already shown he is passive with marginal hands, no way he's betting A for value into 4 other players here for this big.
Actual hand
Effective stacks 900
Preflop
Utg rock straddles for 10, Mp opens to 30, V in Mp+1 calls, Hero w/J♠J♣ in Co 3bets to 120. V calls.
Pot 264
Flop Q♠8♦4♣ V checks, Hero?
What's your plan here?
If you bet and V calls then check turn, V probably bets any river with his whole range.
If you check, V might fire 2 barrels? on turn+river
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Actual hand
Effective stacks 900
Preflop
Utg rock straddles for 10, Mp opens to 30, V in Mp+1 calls, Hero w/J♠J♣ in Co 3bets to 120. V calls.
Pot 264
Flop Q♠8♦4♣ V checks, Hero?
What's your plan here?
If you bet and V calls then check turn, V probably bets any river with his whole range.
If you check, V might fire 2 barrels? on turn+river
bet 100-130
check
call any reasonable bet, fold to a large bet assuming board doesn't get worse
fold. V hasn't shown any propensity to blast off into strength, this would be suicide with a hand worse than ours and he hasn't proven to me he's capable of that with your hand history.
Would our rationale be any different if we held any other PP between Q and 4? Seems like it's the same choice, really. JJ just looks prettier before it goes in the muck.
FWIW, I'm starting to think you may want to hold off on labeling your opponents as bad based on a few hand histories. For instance:
HH1 - you raised pre, but then checked through on flop and turn, and only bet 40 into 105 on the river. Your line looks FOS, and I'd probably look you up with top pair, too, when you're laying that sort of price.
HH2 - LAG c-bet less than 1/4 pot on the flop. Yeah, V floated wide, but it looks like everyone folded to him, so at that point it was heads up, no longer multi-way, and he was getting a reasonably good price to float, on such a wet board, when a LAG raises pre and c-bets small. When the turn checks through and his draw bricks, I actually really like his river bet when the J pairs, because he can credibly rep turned flushes or rivered trips and boats.
HH3 - nothing seems OOL or indicative of poor play.
For this hand...
PRE - 3B with JJ seems standard, but I'd probably go slightly larger when there's dead money in the pot.
FLOP - My default play is to range bet the flop as the PFR when we're HU and IP. In a 3B pot, I'd size down to 1/3 pot. If he x/r's, I probably fold, depending on the size, when there are so few high equity draws available to him here, and we double-block some of the ISSD combos of J9 and JT.
Assuming we bet 1/3 pot and V calls, what I do on the turn is going to somewhat depend on what the turn card is. If it's another J, obviously we're betting. If it's a low disconnected card, I probably barrel for 1/2 pot, to re-cap his range. If it's an over-card, or any card that might conceivably make him 2P, I probably just check back and evaluate the river based on the sizing he takes, assuming he bets.
Since we're in position, and we have a good hand, I don't see the point in trying to get tricky with JJ when there's already an over-card on the board. We can get value from his worse 1P and hands like T9 that are drawing almost dead. Our hand benefits from some protection and equity denial. It'll suck if we check back and then he starts betting turn on an A or K.
If he's likely to bet river with his entire range if we check back turn, awesome. Check back turn. Even if he has aggro tendencies, it's very likely he won't be able to resist betting larger with his strongest hands and smaller with his bluffs.
Just check back turn, and bluff catch the river. If he bets 60% pot or less, call. If he bets 2/3 pot or more, fold. If he checks, we can bet thin for value using a small size.
C-betting 1/2 pot in a 3B pot is too big.
He's just donk over-bet shoving when the middle card pairs? This is where your reads actually need to be very strong. If he's a fishy player, this is an easy fold. If he's actually a decent player, it's a somewhat tougher decision, but ultimately probably still a fold, unless our read is that he's straight up maniacal.
Bluff catching check-list, courtesy of Hungry Horse poker:
1 - do we beat value? No.
2 - is he capable? According to your read, it sounds like he may be, but he'd have to be VERY capable in this spot, I'd think.
3 - is the bet large for the game? Yes, absolutely. Even with the $10 straddle out, this is still a large bet in absolute terms, and relative to the pot size.
4 - Did we give him rope? Not really. We 3B pre, and c-bet the Q-high flop. The only way he could read weakness into our line is if he somehow thinks we c-bet large because we were hoping he'd fold, but in that scenario, he doesn't need to bluff if we're actually weak.
5 - Does he have non-showdown value here? Only T9, and with no flush draw on board, it's pretty optimistic to think he's just going to donk-jam turn to try to rep an 8, when we can have QQ.
We don't beat value, V probably isn't as capable as he'd need to be, the bet is huge, we didn't give him much if any rope, and there are few if any non-showdown value hands that would take this line. There's no reason to bluff-catch here, so it's just a fold.
Hand is played fine. 1/2 pot is not too big vs. this guy who is floating w/ anything. Just sigh-fold the turn -- he hasn't shown much aggression yet, especially for this much $$$. Hard to believe he's bluffing now.
