74o at loser table

With MP in there, I think you have implied odds to call.
I would never come back over the top with another raise against 2 other players with what is currently the nut low hand.

I just call here ....not looking to jam

The initial bet is bad. This is a very wet board multiway. It is nice you beat other 5s if a 6 hits, but you one card straight draw is not that strong. Pairing either card makes your hand worse rather than better.

You are getting raised a lot on this wheel card flop and very rarely taking it with a bet. Any ace is a straight draw and overcards or a pair. Any pp is an overpair, set, or straight draw. Then in a limped pot, low cards can hit this flop hard. It is likely someone has a lot better than a one card straight draw and low cards, even at a table of losers.

Double-gutter draw on a rb. An Ace gives us a straight too. So H shouldn't be folding juuust yet. 30 to call, closing the action, into a current pot of 105.

UTG has 21 left, so that's likely going in on Turn, and MP will have 130-ish back after that. Should that happen, it'll be a main pot ~200---both H and MP should be calling, and a potential side pot of 260 if MP then goes all in.

What do you think MP's range is here? I think H is around 32-35 ish against both, but we'd really like to see both Turn/River to realize it. Is MP the type to start bombing into a dry side pot? I don't think H has odds to call and see a river if H whiffs Turn and MP shoves.

Vacillating on whether H should've bet into the herd, when this crowd is likely passive and short enough to bet small, if at all, for H and preserve our draw. Probably could've bet smaller, if the goal was to block bet.

Interesting hand. Calling now, starting Turn with a check.

Not a double-gutter, an OESD. A 6 does give us a good straight. 10 is a small bet into 15 in a limped pot in a 1/3 game. People will overbet the pot and get multiple callers. Leading is just bad. I would fold as played. Your hand is not that strong when getting action on this board.

Result:

Shove is horrendous. You were 33% against MPs hand, and are crushed by almost any hand she could have. 1/3 players are super passive, so no reason to think capped. Even if MP folds, you only isolate against UTG with pot odds. Hand is very weak on wet board. It is nice the 6 gives you a nut straight, but 44/54/43 are much stronger, but still not great, and you are also in bad shape against those. If an ace hits, you may chop with another 4. You are even 38% against A9, which should be folded on this flop.

In spots like this I think about how I'm doing vs. all the other "combo" draws, 66/65/54/43/42/K4s and how likely A4/64 and sets are.
Rough guess: we are destroyed, flop is closer to a fold after the raise than a call IMO. Even on 3/4 of the perfects turns a BDFD is possible, or a paired board.
Even if we call, UTG is likely to shove turn and MP can easily decide to bet more than 20.

Yes, if a 6 hits we have the nuts and are likely to get paid a lot ... but apart from that our hand isn't great, and we have no fold equity.

This is a classic weak draw that you just want to call with, not semibluff. The 3-wheel-card flop is also a classic wet flop. Because a 6 might allow you to stack someone with just a 4, you particularly don't want much going in on the flop. It is a good hand to post though, because it shows the kind of mistakes that can be made, and why aggressive play is sometimes bad. Flop is unlikely to check through, and it would be fine if it was, so leading initially is also bad.

I'm a little confused by the "game sucks" description. If it is because we're getting in 15 hands an hour due to the slowness of players, ok, admittedly that could be tilting. But otherwise, do you understand how money is made in poker? Sitting at a table where no one else knows what is going on is a gold mine.

I also just see a flop.

Multiway against what I'm assuming is a bunch of calling stations I would just try to hit my hand so I'm checking this flop OOP. Might bet it if checked to in position.

As played we're getting about 3:1. Against a normal reg filled table, this is likely a sigh fold due to horrible IO on four-to-a-straight and a decent chance some of our outs chop the pot with someone else. At this table, with some of our outs being to the nuts (although some of our outs actually have similar RIO), I guess a sigh call isn't horrible.

ETA: Just noticed stack sizes. With the raiser pretty much already all-in (for not nearly the amount we need to call) and protecting the pot from being bluffed at, this makes a call very dicey. The coldcaller would have to be the biggest mark in the room for continuing to be profitable here, imo.

ETA#2: The shove seems horrendous to me. If we're thinking we're sucking up enough equity to want to isolate against the shorty, that's optimistic thinking against a typical flop raiser (even a clueless shorty).
Otherwise, we want the MP in the hand to pay us off when we hit.

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OP is a good player, but there is a problem with using solver-based concepts like someone's range is capped over basic concepts. Call with a weak draw, but maybe semibluff with a strong draw. Don't bluff into a dry sidepot. The value of your hand goes down on a wet board and multiway. Like 4 basic rules violated here.

I wouldn't lead flop with this many players; if it were 3 handed or heads up I would be more likely to. Vs the raise I think we have an easy fold when we could already be up against 64 or A4. We're not doing great even against the weaker parts of the range like 54. With two players the situation is even worse. Not paying $30 to see one card.

Just read spoiler: pretty big punt

I mean its a bad game in the sense that stacks are short and no one wants to put their money in without KK+

And yeah my idea was I could get MP to fold one pair (apparently not) and have good odds against UTG's AA or whatever

Your hand would have been 18% against AA

Why shove? Only way to beat shorty is to make the nuts and maybe we get to stack mp if that happens. If we brick we save the rest.

I would call the 40 and check dark so shorty can shove.

Edit: Not betting flop. We want a high spr if a 6 comes.

Ok, fair.

+1 to both of these. With a protected pot where we need to make our hand, getting the other guy to fold when we currently have 7 high is not a good plan, imo.

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