Polar raise gets iced
1/3 NLHE 9 handed
Table's a barrel of fish with V1 being the only remotely competent player. Our image is LAGgy.
V1 - breakeven loose passive I have a lot of hours with. thinking about the game but cant quite handle the variance. Cant make big moves yet but is trying to be more TAG, just calls way too wide and tries to justify it. Gives me no credit to the point he'll stack off on a board like 6-6-7 FD with any OP when I x/r and bomb it. Opens as wide as A8s UTG and A7o in HJ-BTN. Was sitting on 100$ which hes now doubled twice to 400 with two AIs pre. LJ. 400$.
V2 - tight passive unknown, VPIP around 15% over two hours. Has limped or called in every action. 300$ SB.
H is BTN and covers, has been winning and has a reckless devil may care image.
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UTG limps, V1 opens 10 (small for him, usually he goes 15, he'd go 20 with JJ+), H sees 6♥ 7♥ and makes it 45, V2 SB cold calls, V1 calls, 3-ways IP.
Flop 135 - T♦ T♣ 6♦
check check check
Turn 135 - 9♦
check, V1 bets 25... Hero?
you've got ~15% equity at best vs an overpair. So just barely direct odds to call. This is assuming you don't think they have a flush which you're drawing dead against. And if you don't hit your straight or at least a 7 you're going to fold to a river bet anyway.
Honestly, I'd just fold. You've got no hope of improving significantly and no fold equity vs this villain. If V2 calls, you're definitely completely dead.
Not sure if I would have 3! 67s to begin with tbh...
Banana, this is an awfully small bet if they have the flush, right? Or, they're betting small because they're scared of a boat? (Or setting a price for AdX.) Gripping hand, they've T9 and are trying not to scare everyone away... Though, are they really checking it when the nit SB checks ahead?
I can't see V2 doing anything but running away, angry their OP got cracked---again. Unless they flushed up here.
I dunno, part of me wants to r/f large here. I also see why you ordinarily would have x'd flop, but you actually have a pair here. They almost certainly don't. But likely are drawing to something bigger than a 6 or already have it. But not bigger than trip Tens. These Vs call a 50-66% cbet, we can be done with the hand on this turn.
Yeah, I would fold preflop, but half pot the flop, with maybe the best hand, representing an overpair. As played, I would call, and maybe reevaluate on the river.
Fold turn fold pre. 3bet linearly in these games not polar.
Yeah, OP is too fancy with GTO type concepts playing donks who don't like to fold.
However, once you 3!, you need to cbet this flop. Often it completely missed them and you are ahead. Plus you need to continue to represent an overpair or AK on the appropriate flop, as some people are only 3-betting QQ+/AK or KK+ in these games, so a 3! looks strong.
As played, it's still a fold here. You already said V1 doesn't like to fold to you so only thing you're going to be able to fold out(or beat really) is the naked ace of diamonds that doesn't hit on the river.
If you had cbet the flop I could see telling a consistent story and being believed, but at this point you'd have to raise here and get V1 to fold to less than a 1/2 pot bet on the river. You haven't given any indication this villain is capable of making that fold. You already said V doesn't like folding to you, so sounds like he'd have to have literally air here to do it. Seems ambitious.
I think even if in game you raised here and got the folds you were hoping for, it's not the right play.
Why would you 3! 76s and check a dry flop? The whole purpose is to represent a big pair or AK postflop, and occasionally actually hit the flop. You checked and someone bet small on the turn. What would you expect to happen?
Actually, I think a bet of about 50 on the flop is good. That is a large bet in absolute terms. You want to represent an overpair sort of scared of trip tens. They are unlikely to try to bluff you, because it would seem reckless to make large bets in real terms to try to get what might be QQ+ to fold. You can't raise the turn, because you don't represent anything as the preflop raiser on that board. It doesn't make any sense.
If you are gong to 3bet here, which I'm fine with, you need to c-bet this flop. As played, fold is probably best, but I don't mind a float to see what happens vs. this guy.
I feel like you guys are exceedingly results /outcome biased. If I had cbet and been raised you all wouldve said "check back flop for SDV!!"
"Bet flop" was the first thing I thought of before even seeing the turn. You raise 76s here to rep an overpair, so rep it.
I love attacking pre against guys who split their range. I think we win a lot preflop, and going Hu in position isn’t a bad result. When the tight player cold calls oop I am probably just shutting down.
As played turn is probably indifferent. I’d fold since I don’t expect river to go check check and we win at showdown.
For those saying rep the overpair, that’s what we did by checking. Aces should check this flop.
So why are you 3-betting 76s? The purpose is to build the pot for value and fold if we miss the flop?
As I wrote, I understand why you checked, though I would've bet. Wouldn't QJdd+ also check this flop after 3! pf, for fear of a T x-raise? On turn, if you did flush up, the only boat you're really concerned about is T9, right?
Which leads back to my original question: What does this small turn bet represent, you think? Is it bait intended to elicit a raise? Is it a block bet for them to draw to AdXx? Is it a ten trying to see if you have a flush?
I love attacking pre against guys who split their range. I think we win a lot preflop, and going Hu in position isnβt a bad result. When the tight player cold calls oop I am probably just shutting down.As played turn is probably indifferent. Iβd fold since I donβt expect river to go check check and we win at showdown.For those saying rep the overpair, thatβs what we did by chec
what do you mean by "split their range"? can you elaborate?
Result:
Spoiler
I know V1 pretty well and he's never giving me much credit when I raise here, he'll assume I have the naked Ad and might come over the top, he's also never betting out without value when he knows V2 is tight passive so I just fold. V2 folds. V1 shows T9o and gets annoyed that "he never gets paid off"
So why are you 3-betting 76s? The purpose is to build the pot for value and fold if we miss the flop?
V1s sizing was weak and he levels himself vs me and tries to range me and overthinks it, he also gives me zero credit for a hand because I bluff him all the time (or used to, now he's becoming a mega station), I felt IP with 3.5-4x pot back was okay and 67s would actually be doing okay against his continuing range. Then V2 cold called and that changed things plus I felt the board sucked
V1s sizing was weak and he levels himself vs me and tries to range me and overthinks it, he also gives me zero credit for a hand because I bluff him all the time (or used to, now he's becoming a mega station), I felt IP with 3.5-4x pot back was okay and 67s would actually be doing okay against his continuing range. Then V2 cold called and that changed things plus I felt the boa
Iso 3betting with 7 high vs someone that doesn't fold is really bad dude.
Grunch:
PRE - I like 3B'ing with the 76s, especially when the open seems oddly small / likely weak, and we have position.
FLOP - Why are you checking? Just c-bet 1/3 to 40% pot, and fold if you get raised.
TURN - Yuck. I can't imagine we're ever good here, and even if we somehow manage to river another 6, we still lose to TX, 99, and 87dd. I probably just fold, and curse myself for not c-betting the flop.
I feel like you guys are exceedingly results /outcome biased. If I had cbet and been raised you all wouldve said "check back flop for SDV!!"
Claiming others are results oriented would be more credible if the result was posted before their comments. You sound defensive, rather than open to guidance.
If you c-bet and got raised, it's a trivial fold. It happens. We can't win them all. The issue here is (and has always been) your approach to the game, how you think about it (or as it sometimes appears, how you don't think about it).
This spot - 3B'ing pre with a SC, getting two calls, and flopping 1P on a middling-paired, two-tone, T-high board - isn't so extremely rare that you wouldn't have had occasion to study or think about it enough to have some default strat available. It's not like you flopped quads on a trips board, or a straight flush in a 4B pot.
That's not to say you need to know how to play this exact flop with your exact hand, but you have enough experience to understand the implications of this board texture:
1. It's two-toned, making flush draws possible.
2. It's ten-high, making it fairly likely over-cards will come on turn or river.
3. It's somewhat connected, making straight draws possible.
4. It's paired, and you have a pair, making it fairly likely no one else connected in a big way, unless they have Tx or also have 6x, which isn't that many combos.
5. It's a 3B pot, and you're the 3B'er, so you have all the over-pairs in your range, and maybe TT, and possibly some strong suited aces that give you the NFD, but otherwise you're somewhat lacking in super-nutted hands here.
6. Literally no run-out will improve your hand to the nuts. Your hand could improve significantly and you still wouldn't love it if a ton of money goes in.
If you c-bet the pot, it doesn't necessarily polarize YOUR range, but your opponents' responses will generally define their ranges fairly clearly. They're not going to have QQ+, and aren't likely to continue with 22-55.
A c-bet here is going to fold out most of their range, which is good. What continues is generally going to be either a fairly strong hand or a super high equity draw, given that the board is paired, and any flush or straight may not be any good.
This hand is actually pretty easy to play - c-bet the flop, and shut it down if you get called. Unless the turn and river are both a 6, just pot control and over-fold vs aggression.
Yeah, sure given he had trips, it was played perfectly. However, without some psychic read, this is an easy cbet.
Honestly just wait for a suited ace or something that can actually win a showdown than 76.