1/3/5 preflop jj
1/3/5 10 handed
The rock is out everyhand, but played from every single position so the position is weird preflop.
Just sat down not too long ago lost a 3bet pot.
Vibe at this place is fishy aggro.
Villains all unknown.
Effective stacks 370
Rock at utg, MP limps, Mp+1 raises to 45(this is massive at this place, 20~30 is more standard), Btn calls
Hero is in sb w/JJ
What we do?
Ship?
Call?
Fold?
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Any reads on MP+1? BTN? As nitty as it sounds, I fold. If you want to gamble it up and have no problem re-buying, you can shove.
Without any reads, this is a fold.
1/3/5 10 handed
Just sat down not too long ago lost a 3bet pot.
Vibe at this place is fishy aggro.
Villains all unknown.
Effective stacks 370
Rock at utg, MP limps, Mp+1 raises to 45(this is massive at this place, 20~30 is more standard), Btn calls
Is the rock only $5 or is it $10? If $10 then $45 doesn't seem large. But ok if it's $5 and then you see $45 + a call you have to clarify your "fishy aggro" read
Plus you say villains all unknown, yet you have been at the table long enough to lose a 3b pot. Was it literally a couple hands ago? Who raised it, etc. would help to flesh out the info just a little...
You are hard to read
"The rock never plays but played from every single positions." This sentence is a contradiction in in of itself. If you go rock mode its around 1 hnd per 2 hours if you play queens+, so hes really not as rock as you seem to think, he probably just happened to show good hands. A better profile for him might be "plays on the line".
Anyway without reads that's at least a call all day everyday. The raise feels iffy since he made a raise bigger than usual. I dont mind the shove, mostly because you are not very good/anxious/all over the place at poker. Honestly, for you, shoving JJ+ when the pots will get big one way or another, is gonna be profitable for you.
You are hard to read"The rock never plays but played from every single positions." This sentence is a contradiction in in of itself. If you go rock mode its around 1 hnd per 2 hours if you play queens+, so hes really not as rock as you seem to think, he probably just happened to show good hands. A better profile for him might be "plays on the line".Anyway without reads that's a
It's a rock straddle. Whoever wins the last hand gets it. It's worth 5$.
Is the rock only $5 or is it $10? If $10 then $45 doesn't seem large. But ok if it's $5 and then you see $45 + a call you have to clarify your "fishy aggro" read
Plus you say villains all unknown, yet you have been at the table long enough to lose a 3b pot. Was it literally a couple hands ago? Who raised it, etc. would help to flesh out the info just a little...
It was only 5$, occasionally people will make it 10$.
For a 5$ straddle, 45$ is huge.
It was a couple hands ago, I was oop, I 3betted a lag I knew, I cbetted small and got raised off the hand. He's not even in this hand.
As for "fishy aggro" read, it's loaded with fishes but all/most of them tend to have some aggro tendencies, mostly postflop. Some will open/3bet light preflop, most are passive preflop. Postflop between passive and aggro. Once in the pot, some are super sticky.
Spoiler
I shoved in game, got snapped by MP+1, he had KK, Btn tank a little then called it off he had ATs.
In retrospect it should've been a fold probably.
The raise was too big, I didn't pick up on it in game.
I was thinking to myself oh, 90+ dead money out there, easy ship.
Forgot that people like to change to bigger sizes with stronger hands.
I think shove is slightly better than fold. Picking up the pot a lot of the time is a great result and whether you get calls or folds from AK/AQ it doesn't really matter, and once in a while you get a call from TT. One could make an argument that the big open size makes AA/KK slightly less likely although sizing tells are pretty unreliable in a vacuum. Without the call in the middle I would lean towards a fold (or possibly call although stack sizes point away from this) but with extra dead money and less than 100BB you can't go far wrong with shoving.
You're not sitting deep enough to do anything, really. Just top off or play a different game with a more manageable cap for the blinds.
As played, I'd think we could fold, if only because huge opens are often JJ or TT, but also often enough QQ+, and we have JJ, so it kind of weights V's range towards QQ+ and away from JJ/TT.
