1/3 facing donk
1/3 5 handed, table just started this is the very first hand.
Villain is mid aged indian.
Hero is asian guy in his 30s.
Hero is in UTG with A♥J♦ opens to 12.
Villain in Sb calls.
Pot 27
Flop T♥7♥5♣
V donks 15
Hero?
Easy fold?
Raise?
Call?
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Assuming we're 100bb+ and given overs, nut backdoors and position I call, folding turn unimproved.
Opps forgot to mention
effective stacks 300
I would float flop planning to bluff on heart runouts or hopefully just hit top pair.
Almost said fold pre, especially readless at a new table, but then I noticed it was 5-handed, so you are basically opening HJ which is obviously standard.
Ok
Flop Hero calls
Pot 57
Turn 3♥
V bets 45, Hero calls
Pot 147
River J♣
V bets 100
Hero???
I am not bluffing river -- there isn't enough stack depth and he probably isn't folding two pair or a straight or whatever -- so I guess the question is call or fold.
First instinct was fold because he has a lot of flushes that bet small on flop and size up turn, but I think the sizing on the river is pretty weak and fish will show up in this spot with absolutely non-sensical stuff sometimes. Wouldn't be shocked if he was monkey betting something like KhTx or turning 5x or something like AQ into a bluff.
You could also potentially shove turn, which might be the best play when we float flop with no pair.
Stacks? This is a great hand to raise with and start a multi-street situation.
I am not bluffing river -- there isn't enough stack depth and he probably isn't folding two pair or a straight or whatever -- so I guess the question is call or fold. First instinct was fold because he has a lot of flushes that bet small on flop and size up turn, but I think the sizing on the river is pretty weak and fish will show up in this spot with absolutely non-sensical s
Jam turn, call now. Agreeing with what elm wrote, but I might be jaundiced by the aggro, I-hate-money, MA Indian men in my pool. Offer to buy him a Chivas if he'll stay, lol.
I would limp in but that's my style in the HJ-.
I would fold the flop. We have nothing much going for us and have some RIO issues (such as A completing AT, J completing the OESD, etc.).
ETA: Even though we picked up the nut flush draw on the turn, it's a very meh call, imo. We have low IO on a 4-to-a-flush, we'll need a large bet called very often to make money, some of our outs could be dirty, etc.
ETA#2: River seems like a trivial fold. Very few triple barrel bluff into the raiser and every single one of the myriad of draws got there.
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Spoiler
H call, V shows 5♥8♥
You have two overs and some backdoor draws. Seems like an easy call and evaluate.
Grunch:
How deep are we to start the hand?
PRE - my default open at 1/3 is 15. So, go bigger than 12.
FLOP - Probably not folding. Might occasionally raise, depending on what I think V is doing and why.
What sort of range are you giving V here, when he flats in the SB and donks for 1/2 pot? Middle-aged Indian guys aren't typically known for their wild bluffing, and this isn't the sizing most low-stakes rec-fish take when they donk with weak value or a draw.
With two overs and a couple backdoor draws, I probably just flat call the raise and see what he does on the turn. If we pick up equity and he bets again, I might raise then. If he checks, I probably check back, preparing to blast the river if he checks again. I don't want to bet and risk getting blown off our equity if he decides to go for check-raise.
My reasoning is that this type likes to limp in and see flops, and will donk with value. He could have 2P+ here, and doesn't mind getting stacks in on the flop. But a lot of turn cards could change his mind. He'll shut down on a lot of draw-completing cards or over-cards, opening the door for us to steal the pot.
TURN - if he bet small, I'd want to raise. Since he almost potted it, I could go either way. Still might raise, but now I'm starting to wonder if he hasn't already decided he's just going with his hand, and we need to fold.
RIVER - yuck. Think we need to fold now, as much as I hate to do it with TPTK. This is rarely going to be a bluff or worse for value.