Bottom set on flush board
Bottom set on flush board

Bottom set on flush board

1/3 NL, effective stacks about $400. I have been at the table about 3 orbits. Main villain appears amateur TAG, but might not be as good as that implies.

I limp UTG+1 with 5h5d, 4th position raises to 18, BTN and I call. Flop is KcTc5c and is checked around. Turn is 7h, I bet 20, preflop raiser calls, BTN folds. River is 3d, I bet 35. Should I be betting bigger?

27 May 2025 at 02:46 AM
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I might donk flop. On this flop you aren't check/raising are you?

For bet sizes, we can play the assumption gamd, assume you were villain, if you were faced with a small bet on turn but 150 overbet on river would you call with Kx, AA?
100?
80?
50?

Turn definitely bigger to 30+.
For river what range are you targetting? Against Kx/AA he is definitely calling 2/3 pot. Maybe you'll have to bet over pot to make Kx folds when your turn was such a small bet.

Vs qq/jj/tx portion I guess this bet size is fine. But they probably would've called a bigger turn bet.

I probably want to check raise than bet this small. There are some missed draws like 89 with 1 club, AJ with 1 club JQ with 1 club type hands that didn't bet flop because it was monotone. Kx probably betting for thin value here after you check river.

Villain only checking back qq/jj/tx portions which we weren't going to get much value anyway.


this is why limp calling sucks, your value cant get the money in


I could have donked out, and maybe would have without the 3-flush. Once it checked through, I was pretty sure I had the best hand. Didn't think AK or whatever would stack off on this board. Probably should have sized larger on the turn and river. Without the 3-flush, the preflop raiser would have probably bet a K and I could maybe checkraise. Maybe playing it too cautiously, but if I lead out and get raised or lead and get called by a big bet on the turn, I don't know where I am.


Preflop has been covered. I prefer to raise or fold in early position (in a tough game).

Flop: Donking compresses Vs' ranges here to NF, AcX, better sets and made small flushes. The alternative is having to fade on turn all non-board pairing broadway cards and all clubs. Preflop raiser can already have and be slow-playing NF sometimes.

Donking reps our exact hand or made small flush - a relatively narrow range and effectively we turn our hand face up.

The problem here is getting paid by something we beat. The monotone board is an action killer. But the turn may beat us if we x.

I think donking is a little better than x'g here, because it targets AcX and maybe some KxQc. That's the only stuff we beat that will pay us.

AP turn: I like the 20 here.

River: We should bet bigger. Pot is ~95. His AcKx is a lot of his range because he called turn instead of raising. It's thin value, but I want to go maybe 60 and hope he's inelastic.


I doubt small pocket pairs are profitable for me OOP, so I fold the first time. I would also guess that paying a hefty 6x OOP to setmine in just a 3way pot is also unprofitable for me, so I fold again. I mean, yeah, we're getting ~27:1 IO at this point, but getting in stacks postflop OOP won't be straightforward in SPR 9. Plus, RIO are a real thing (I'm pretty sure I would be up 2x times as much as I am this horrendous year if I simply would have folded every flopped set, lol, joking / not joking).

I probably donk out. A check around guarantees we're never coming close to the IO we need to make preflop profitable.

I probably bet a lot bigger on the turn for the same reasons.

My guess is that preflop raiser is leaning more to showdownable hands that checked back a scary flop than he is a draw (as this would be a great flop to cbet a draw). So I'd try to rep the busted draw myself and go big, which also helps us get closer to those IO we needed preflop.

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Yeah just fold pre or maybe open if the table is passive and not 3betting often.
Postflop I think donking makes some sense on a monotone board, as check-raising does get a bit tricky. If it was rainbow I'd never donk
OTT I'd bet something like 75% pot, if the board wasn't monotone I'd go either for an overbet or xR, as you need to think how to get the most money in. Same for river, it's very unlikely they have a flush so just go bigger.


Limping pre is fine at the right table. I'm fine with the flop check, and I'd bet a little bigger both times targeting AK or similar.


Limped because limped pots were going many way and raises in ep were often HU or 3-way. Plus I didn't want to get 3!. Think limp was much the better play here. Probably limp would be bad in a 5/10 game. Would just open at a looser 1/3 table.

Plan was to x/c and if checked through, lead. Probably should have gone larger. I have more experience at limit games and tournaments and am not good at extracting from loose live cash players. Obviously, if board pairs or 4-flush hits, plans would change.

Could donk out and bet all streets big. That might be better if set without 3-flush. Seems dangerous here.

Villain called river and showed a K for top pair after I showed. Probably AK/KQ/KJ.

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